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12 Officers Shot, 5 Dead at Police Protest. Possible Bomb in Area

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WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore
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"How in Gods name are we going to say that the anti-police rhetoric we hear from BLM isn't at least partly to blame here?"
"I was not arguing that BLM was partly to blame"

convincing!
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Jul 11, 2016

WPG said

He liked those pages at some point, sure, but even the DPD admits that during the standoff he separated himself from BLM and criticized that movement .
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thats fair. BLM should distance themselves from the shooter (they have) but admittedly ive been seeing way too many black people applauding this shooting.
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Lamont said

thats fair. BLM should distance themselves from the shooter (they have) but admittedly ive been seeing way too many black people applauding this shooting.
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Sure, but every national or local chapter of BLM I've seen has strongly denounced it.
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Uh if you think I'm the one here who has trouble grasping concepts....

"Loser"
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Maybe he was separating himself from BLM because he didn't want the group he supported to get blamed.
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WPG said

Uh dude what are you talking about? You said the actions of one man could be partially pinned on Black Lives Matter, which is an argument that you're only making because of his race. (Also, literally 100% of the leadership in national and local chapters of Black Lives Matter is black, so...)
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I honestly don't know how to respond, this threw me off.

In a discussion about rhetoric against police, where it was implicity stated that BLM contributes to the rhetoric which created this incident. You think, that this guy made the connection to BLM because he was black? Without any evidence you just throw it out there ignoring the actual context of the discussion. Wow.........
Maybe, he pinned it to BLM, because of......the reason he gave for pinning BLM?? Idk f--- reading or logic.

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Lmao. Dude. Come the f--k on. The police are a publicly funded institution that is given a legal monopoly on deadly force. They are an institution in America in a way Islam isn't, and if you are too thickheaded to understand that, we're at an impasse here.
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Genghis Stan said

And you missed the point completely. Hateful rhetoric on such a grand scale against any group will lead to voilence, regardless of who it's against or it's justification. BLM have contributed to this with propoganda and hyperbole.
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WPG said

First of all, I didn't miss the point--you posted a song by two rappers and attributed their beliefs to a very specific, very organized network of protesting bodies. Also, making demands of the police to stop murdering and improperly detaining citizens is not "hateful rhetoric." Can you explain how it is?
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Nice strawman there.

Genghis Stan said

BLM have contributed to this with propoganda and hyperbole.
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I question your reading abilities, but anyways.

WPG said

Aren't you Mr. Civilized Debate? Prove this.
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By painting the picture of an implicitly and absolutely racist police force. which is something i don't need to prove as you say this too and is just as incorrect in saying. But i'll actually wait for your racist reply to this. Your own comments here on the police force and what you believe about them speak for themselves.

WPG said

TFW you completely misunderstand what a word means in context. I'm so sick of arguing these admittedly massive, complex issues with kids who can't even grasp the basic principles involved.
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Lol, you still missed the point. and formed a subtle strawman which you used to insult me.

Genghis Stan said

And you missed the point completely. Hateful rhetoric on such a grand scale against any group will lead to voilence, regardless of who it's against or it's justification. BLM have contributed to this with propoganda and hyperbole.
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Sure, but every national or local chapter of BLM I've seen has strongly denounced it.
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Yet.... for some f---ing reason... The state and PD denouncing, charging and prosecuting individual policemen for brutalities, doesn't mean that even that specific department isn't racist, they still are?
I mean, have you any shred of introspection mate? Any? Can you not see the double standards?
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It's pointless to go back and forth with him
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PRHYME said

Maybe he was separating himself from BLM because he didn't want the group he supported to get blamed.
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Are you familiar with literally every single terrorist attack ever committed

Genghis Stan said

Yet.... for some f--king reason... The state and PD denouncing, charging and prosecuting individual policemen for brutalities, doesn't mean that even that specific department isn't racist, they still are?
I mean, have you any shred of introspection mate? Any? Can you not see the double standards?
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As I complained about earlier today, I dismantled this line of thinking piece by piece a dozen times in this thread alone. I'm not going to keep doing it.

Remember when you said BLM contriuted to Dallas with "propaganda and hyperbole," and I asked for proof, and you ignored me--then went on to reiterate your claim twice in one point? Pathetic.

Anyway, I'm going outside to do some actual work. Have fun my children.
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*goes to Twitter*
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*goes to Twitter*
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*tweets from outside with--gasp--a mobile phone* lol
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lol just some friendly banter m8
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WPG said

you ignored me
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Umm no? I actually didn't, you just missed the point AGAIN.
I clearly stated that BLM claims saying that the police force is implicity racist is propoganda and hyperbole. I replied to you directly

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I question your reading abilities, but anyways.
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By painting the picture of an implicitly and absolutely racist police force. Which is something I don't need to prove as you say this too and is just as incorrect in saying. But i'll actually wait for your racist reply to this. Your own comments here on the police force and what you believe about them speak for themselves.
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Lol

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Anyway, I'm going outside to do some actual work. Have fun my my children.
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Idiot, your main problem is your inability to represent your oponents in your own mind. Neither their points nor them as people. And you do this with arrogance. You are a good writer, but your debating is actuall s---. Good bye anyways, ive been slacking off work for too long, boss might be back soon

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No one besides WPG has 24 hour blocks that they can repeatedly use to mock and ridicule people on a rap forum until they are either coerced into agreeing or give up out of boredom.
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This is super long, but anyone that believes cops are evil or have a systemic racist issue with black people should read it. You may have data to counter his data, but the note asks for some self reflection by the people who are a part of these protests and a part of the communities that have the most issues with police. A black police officers perspective:

I have come to realize something that is still hard for me to understand to this day. The following may be a shock to some coming from an African American, but the mere fact that it may be shocking to some is prima facie evidence of the sad state of affairs that we are in as Humans.

I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.

It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.

As time went by in my law enforcement career, I quickly began to realize something. I remember the countless times I stood 2 inches from a young black man, around my age, laying on his back, gasping for air as blood filled his lungs. I remember them bleeding profusely with the unforgettable smell of deoxygenated dark red blood in the air, as it leaked from the bullet holes in his body on to the hot sidewalk on a summer day. I remember the countless family members who attacked me, spit on me, cursed me out, as I put up crime scene tape to cordon off the crime scene, yelling and screaming out of pain and anger at the sight of their loved ones taking their last breath. I never took it personally, I knew they were hurting. I remember the countless times I had to order new uniforms, because the ones I had on, were bloody from the blood of another black victim…of black on black crime. I remember the countless times I got back in my patrol car, distraught after having watched another black male die in front me, having to start my preliminary report something like this:

Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.

I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone “did you see who did it”, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, “f--- the Police, I ain't no snitch, Im gonna take care of this myself". This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.

I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, “Make sure you come back home to us”. I always replied, “I will”, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me “Uncle Tom”, and “wanna be white boy”, and I couldn’t understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldn’t understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called …I was there. Every time someone died….I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their lives…I was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that question…Why was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.

I spoke to members of the community and listened to some of the complaints as to why they hated cops. I then did research on the facts. I also presented facts to these members of the community, and listened to their complaints in response. This is what I learned:

Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.

Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) …will ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. It’s called Demographics

Complaint: More black people get arrested than white boys.

Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.

Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.

Fact: Black people k--- more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we don’t need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.

The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black man….the more I realized.

I haven’t slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldn’t help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?

All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”. I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, “Stay Alive” as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 – 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum. I realized that there are even cops, COPS, duly sworn law enforcement officers, who are supposed to be decent investigators, who will publicly go on the media and call other white cops racist and KKK, based on a video clip that they watched thousands of miles away, which was filmed after the fact, based on a case where the details aren’t even known yet and the investigation hasn’t even begun. I realized that most in the African American community refuse to look at solving the bigger problem that I see and deal with every day, which is black on black crime taking hundreds of innocent black lives each year, and instead focus on the 9 questionable deaths of black men, where some were in the act of committing crimes. I realized that they value the life of a Sex Offender and Convicted Felon, [who was in the act of committing multiple felonies: felon in possession of a firearm-FELONY, brandishing and threatening a homeless man with a gun-Aggravated Assault in Florida: FELONY, who resisted officers who first tried to taze him, and WAS NOT RESTRAINED, who can be clearly seen in one of the videos raising his right shoulder, then shooting it down towards the right side of his body exactly where the firearm was located and recovered] more than the lives of the innocent cops who were assassinated in Dallas protecting the very people that hated them the most. I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken s--- and will s---t a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to s---t someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to k--- someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100’s of years ago, when most of the white people today weren’t even born yet. I realized that some in the African American community’s idea of “Justice” is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American community lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.

I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,... and it is still hard for me to understand…. to this day.
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Narsh ran away? Where to? Why?

WWND?
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Imagine reading all that lol
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I read it, only took about 5 minutes really, not bad at all.
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jewtheiii said

Narsh ran away? Where to? Why?

WWND?
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We think he commited suicide, but nobody bothered to call the police
And he lives alone, soooo.
The nieghbors might smell something soon.
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blair said

This is super long, but anyone that believes cops are evil or have a systemic racist issue with black people should read it. You may have data to counter his data, but the note asks for some self reflection by the people who are a part of these protests and a part of the communities that have the most issues with police. A black police officers perspective:
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The rate of police brutality against blacks being twice as high as high as white people (per demographic population) correlates very closely with the poverty rate by demographic, and actually favours black people when compared to the overall murder rate, seeing as they commit as much murders as white people yet die half as frequently by police brutalities. The very basics of statistical mathematics explains all this very easily.

I might not be aware of the ultra specifics in each case, but i know alot more generally about police brutality than most of you american idiots.
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