Politics 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

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  1. Alchemist34
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    Alchemist34 DO MY HEAD

    Sep 22, 2019
    I still don't know wtf you're arguing with me about. Like, spit it out junior wtf is your point here
     
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    I'm correcting you, you mouthbreather. The so-called JQ is more nuanced than "the Jews want to destroy the white race" - and apparently too nuanced for your double digit IQ brain to grasp.
     
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  3. Head Bussa
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    Sep 23, 2019
    @zombieD oh man. Trump campaigned as a populist with keeping jobs in America and looking out for the forgotten men and women of America. But he has been governing as the status quo’s b----. And he’s right...cult of personality is part of politics and that’s why that guy and others support trump. Because if they knew his policies f----- over the forgotten men and women they wouldn’t support him. The jobs aren’t coming back. Jobs are still being outsourced. Tax cuts for the rich and corporations are f---ing over the working class. We pick up the tab when the rich and corporations gets massive tax cuts.

    And Bernie supports social democracy like Sweden, Denmark...he’s a real populist. Not a fake populist and status quo b---- like Trump.

    Does that guy know Bernie is the only Dem candidate with 1 million donors? And the polls skew towards older voters? Dude thinks he’s nailing it and thinks he is truly part of an edgy counter culture movement but he’s parroting mainstream media talking points. Wow.

    Instead of that misinformed, wannabe edgy channel I suggest Status Coup, Secular Talk and The Rational National. Take care.
     
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    Tell that to a MAGA diehard. My support for Trump is tacit and conditional on him at least making an effort to fulfill his main campaign promises, especially on immigration. I realize he's basically an old-style neoliberal business Democrat of yesteryear and a mild reformer on most issues, but I'll take a mild reformist agenda over a neoliberal agenda, which truly supports the status quo, or worse full-blown socialism which believe me if implemented would give everyone nostalgia for the current status quo.
     
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    His campaign promises were populist policies. He’s not fulfilling those promises

    Mild reformer? Obama was a neoliberal and Trump is rolling back everything he did and making things even worse for regular folks. Trump and the current GOP are off the rails. They’re very far right. Not at all populist. They’re somehow worse than neoliberals. I’m no fan of Obama,
    Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer...and definitely no fan of the GOP and Trump.

    Again...it’s social democracy policies like they have in Sweden, Denmark and Norway. It’s not full-blown socialism. He’s not advocating For Venezuelan socialism. Quit straw manning his policies. Understand?? Bernie’s platform polls very high. Way higher than the policies Trump has implemented. Understand??
     
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  8. zombieD
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    zombieD Banned

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    Trump is not far right lol. Not even close. You've been lied to and need deprogramming. I can only suggest you give that content creator another chance. Watch a few of his videos. I always recommend his stuff to normies because that's his true target audience. Here's another good one for you.

     
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  9. Head Bussa
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    Bro...Trump is the ultimate establishment republican President. He’s far right and as corrupt as it gets. All of his policies cater to the rich elites, human rights violators and multinational corporations. You’re misinformed. @zombieD you need to research the policies

    Amazon made 11 billion in profit and paid zero taxes. How is that not far right? How is that not serving the elites and powerful corporations?

    He’s rolling back pollution and clean water act policies. That’s far right. He’s not doing a d--- thing about climate change. That’s far right.

    He’s also Saudi’s b---- and Israel’s b----. Record profit sale of weapons to Saudi and never holds their human rights violations accountable. Same for Israel’s human rights violations. That’s far right.

    He’s the status quo on roids, bro. It’s a shame you don’t know the reality of what’s going on. He’s a fake a--- populist and the far right status quo in chief.
     
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    Wanting to lower rather than raise taxes is far right? Ok. If you watched the video above you'd know you can't selectively raise taxes. If you raise taxes on the rich you proportionately raise everyone else's taxes as well. That's just the way it works.

    Climate change is a nonissue.

    Support for Saudis and Israel is a neocon policy and it's nothing new. I don't know anyone on the far right who backs Trump on this.

    Not sure how Trump can be far right and the status quo at the same time, unless you think the politics of the US are on the far right. Which is not reality.

    Again Trump is a mild reformer at best. He didn't magically become a far right conservative after he put an R after his name. He's a f---ing Manhattan business liberal. Always has been and always will be.
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    You’re so full of s--- @zombieD lol you might be too far gone. Some folks can’t be reasoned with despite being provided with facts and evidence.
     
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    Funny I was thinking the same about you ahaha.
     
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  13. Alchemist34
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    Alchemist34 DO MY HEAD

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    Lol what??? How the f--- are you not understanding you're way off the mark to begin with

    Alright listen you spastic before you go on another round of schizophrenic arguments to points I never made let's just go to my original post to clear it up


    This is the post you originally replied to. A very vague post and to be fair, I was obviously implying something, which is why you made your first weird assumptions:

    Which I initially thought was random, very assuming and oddly specific, so I told you I wasn't sure what you meant. This could've ended right here

    But like the sperg you are, instead of just clearing it up or asking me to clear up what I meant, since there was obviously a misunderstanding, you started pulling your hair and screeching and it snowballed from there

    My initial confusion to your post stemmed from these made weird made up arbitrary rules about what you define as their jewishness and their "politics", and whatever your deranged mind defines as their politics is the reason you thought I hate jews. Your gay definition of things combined with the assumption I know what they are and the assumption that you're right ..man, I never had a chance here. But f--- it out of morbid curiosity let's break all your arguments down from the beginning to see how we end up from me saying I don't understand you to you talking about the jewish diaspora to immigration policies to the jewish question:

    So basically, I'm the stupid one for being confused at you accusing me of laughing at people who hate jews for their personality quirk (which you defined what the white destruction thing is apparently, because it doesn't classify as politics. Which I should have known because that's a well known fact I guess...) while hating jews for the "politics", which is a very broad vague word and which you would later define as specifically being about different immigration policies for the U.S and Israel. But I should have somehow known that without you explaining it because, I don't know, it's just obvious. right? Out of the many reasons for anti semitism, of course that's the reason why I (as you say, apparently) hate jews. I'm American after all (I'm not) and I care about U.S and Israel immigration policies (I don't), which is also is supposedly the main reason for anti semitism in america (cool i literally never said anything about this) and a well know double standard among diaspora jews (That's great but I don't know why we're talking about this), so my assumption about the main reason of anti semitism in the U.S being about being about their anti white jewishness (...I never, i mean like where are you taking me?) is incorrect, because as you say (pls stop) ............The Jewish Question (huh????? I feel like collateral damage at this point) ...............is much more nuanced than that. (okay???????)

    f--- that was painful

    I'd tell you how I'm not sure you even know what the jewish question is since you're using it interchangeably with anti semitism for some reason, because I don't know why the f--- else you'd bring it up.....but man I just wanna just off this train now it's gone so far up the wrong tracks and the psychopath pilot keeps going full steam
     
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    I replied to your original comment the way I did because I wanted to first point out that you were the irrational one for thinking it's normal or okay to dislike Jews "just cause" (which I assumed was what you meant by "just not liking Jews like normal people") instead of having a reason to dislike them, as alt-rightists do. When I said they disliked Jews for their politics I wasn't referring to a "white race destruction conspiracy" - I clarified what I meant by that in a later post which you obtusely brushed off as irrelevant.
     
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  15. Head Bussa
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    You said climate change is a nonissue

    You’re not taking all of trump’s policies into consideration

    You call him a mild reformer at best when he’s the quintessential far right establishment republican politician and 90% of republican voters love him. He’s Bush, Obama, Clinton and the establishment but with a “dirty mouth” that the media doesn’t like. They’d rather have him do terrible policies that serve the wealthy and business interests and screw over regular people but do it with a smile on his face.
     
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    So many inaccuracies and misfires in this video already


    Obamacare was a Right wing Heritage foundation plan from the 90s. Romney Care was very similar to Obama Care. It was only considered far left because the republicans shout down anything the democrats propose as far left communism

    USA is the only modern country without a version of healthcare for all. We rank wayyy behind other modern countries when it comes to healthcare. Medicare For All saves $$ over ten years than our current healthcare system. Study after study shows this.

    We have socialism already in this country...socialism for the rich. They got all the breaks. When policies are proposed for actual working class people the media questions “how much will it cost?!?” But never question how tax cuts for the rich will be paid for. Or how endless war will be paid for. Or how billion dollar oil companies get subsidies. Who pays for that?!?! They want to keep the status quo going like your friend

    500,000 people a year go bankrupt from medical bills. Private healthcare = death panels. They deny deny deny deny coverage, debt piles up and people end up bankrupt or dead because they can’t afford treatment. Every modern country but the US has figured this out.

    59 seconds into this video and this guy is very misinformed holy s---

    Healthcare shouldn’t be privatized. We’ve had this system for years and it hasn’t worked for people. 32,000 people die every year because they don’t have access to affordable healthcare.

    Monthly taxes that go to private healthcare companies would be eliminated under Medicare For All. No co-pays and premiums. People would be paying a tax to the government but they would net save $$ under Medicare For All.

    This dude should work for mainstream media. He frames everything from a right wing perspective. And he thinks he’s a counter culture edgy outsider lol
     
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    The quintessential far right Republican who is relatively anti-war, who doesn't care about the abortion issue, who isn't censorious, religious, moralistic or authoritarian in any meaningful sense. Gotcha. No, I think you've been duped my friend. Trump is a money president, nothing more. A New York business tycoon. A lifelong Democrat who became a Republican in name only as a means to an end. He's not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination, and just because he's fiscally to the right of your average neocon/neolib doesn't make him so. But then again you seem to think everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is right wing. You think Obamacare is a right wing plan. Like I said you're not seeing reality buddy, so yeah there is really little point in our continuing this dialogue.

    Libertarians like Tarl don't want to keep the status quo btw. It's just that Trump is the closest thing to a libertarian we're going to get for the time being, but really he's not even close.
     
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    High energy in this thread
     
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  19. Head Bussa
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    Oh man @daBuzzSaw

    Misinformation!

    But you can’t help it. The media sucks.

    It’s bad take season,folks
     
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    Despite the hostility of the pundits, Bernie Sanders still has the most donors, the biggest reach, and the most young people supporting him. :)
     
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