[Album] Vince Staples - Vince Staples (OUT NOW)

Started by Chrollo, Jun 18, 2021, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Ricky
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    Vince and Kenny? Whoa Kenny? I'm in!!! I can't wait to bump this earlier today
     
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    Really? d---
     
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  3. Ricky
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    I'll still blast this, shorter the album, more spins I can fit today
     
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    I really don’t get people having issue with shorter albums—it’s pretty rare that making an album longer is going to help it out lol. Even so, there’s no length any album “needs” to be. Differs by the artists vision. There are good 80 minute albums and good 20 minute albums and bad 80 minute albums and bad 20 minute albums.
     
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    I just don’t have the time to make a commitment to an 80 minute album these days, unless I have absolutely nothing to do. An album like this will make it easy to listen to before I go out
     
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    Jul 9, 2021
    I'm driving home from my vacation today. Gonna blast this in the car one the way back. Suuuuper hyped for this
     
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    My issue is that it's not done out of love of the music, it's done to manipulate streaming numbers. A 29 minute album also just seems like half a project. Like if he'd just spent a bit more time and effort he could've released a "proper" project.
     
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    Who said 80 min album? I dont have a problem with short albums but cant it be 40 mins too? I prefer short albums actually but I hate half baked a--- projects (Kanye). FM from Vince was cool but it suffered because of the lenght of the tracks.

    Having said that, enjoyed my first listen
     
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    How do you go from Summertime 06 to this?
     
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    I'm with you on the general principal regarding stream gaming, but I don't see how this is true for short albums unless I'm missing something—having a larger amount of short songs maybe, but not shorter albums in general. I sincerely doubt Vince is making albums any way besides the way that he wants to make them. His albums have always been on the shorter side, with exception of Summertime 06—which is two 30 minute discs so it still kind of counts in that way. Even discounting the Summertime 06 technicality, his longest album is Big Fish Theory @ 36 min.

    Shyne Coldchain Vol 1 - 27 min
    Winter in Prague - 25 min
    Stolen Youth - 33 min
    Shyne Coldchain Vol 2 - 28 min
    h--- Can Wait - 23 min
    S06 Disc 1 - 30 min
    S06 Disc 2 - 28 min
    Prima Donna - 21 min
    Big Fish Theory - 36 min
    FM! - 22 min
    Self-titled - 22 mi
     
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    Can't say I'm an expert on streaming but surely one arriving spin is one album spin? This album can be listened to front to back 3 times in the same time as a full LP.
     
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    I believe listening to a 10 songs album three times counts the same as listening to a 30 song album one time. It's more a track by track basis. It's why they do stuff like take Sunflower from the Spiderverse soundtrack and slide it on Post Malone's album because the streams from it as a single will count.
     
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    @icecube

    The Billboard 200 will now include two tiers of on-demand audio streams. TIER 1: paid subscription audio streams (equating 1,250 streams to 1 album unit) and TIER 2: ad-supported audio streams (equating 3,750 streams to 1 album unit).

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/...ges-streaming-weighting-hot-100-billboard-200

    Release stream count: All song streams from the release added up
    Note: If a song appears on multiple releases, it counts towards the stream count on every release.


    https://artists.spotify.com/help/article/how-we-count-streams

    So basically, you could listen to Sunflower 1250 times on the Spiderverse soundtrack and it would count as a unit sold for Hollywood's Bleeding (Post's album) even if you've never listened to Post Malone's album. The game is f----- in all sorts of ways just not the particular way you thought lol.
     
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    Ah, got it. Interesting, thanks. So a shorter song (2mins) is going to get more streaming numbers them a "standard" 4min song. Either way, it's good to have the knowledge, I appreciate the hook up!
     
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    Honestly a lot of it doesn't really make sense to me either lol. I have no idea how they came up with those numbers. And artists are doing stuff like making EPs out of their albums—like no new songs, literally just taking their album and chopping it up into multiple EPs in addition to the actual album and deluxe album like:

    Culture 3
    Culture 3 Deluxe
    Culture 3: Quavo's Way
    Culture 3: Offset's Way
    Culture 3: Takeoff's Way
     
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    Ugh, I don't like it. Manipulating numbers doesn't make me respect anyone. I get they wanna earn money but I'm not gonna have time for anyone who values income the actual music. Least not those who are already raking it in.
     
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    I'm sure a lot of it is labels meddling with stuff like that—but thinking about it I think it's more about charting/hitting number one than the cash itself because streaming pays like s--- (though I'm sure labels work to squeeze every last drop they can) unless you're Drake. Merch/limited edition physical copies/shows is how most make their money these days.
     
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    Yeah I guess. I said YEARS ago (when it became easy to pirate an album, before streaming) that artists should release their music for free and then charge more for gigs. We're not far off from that really with streaming.
     
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    Got no problem with short projects, I absolutely prefer albums that run as long as they need to and aren’t bloated by unnecessary filler, just wish Vince dropped more regularly. He’ll drop a 20 minute project and then disappear for like three years. Always leaves me wanting more.
     
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    yup, and really that's how most rappers in the blog/mixtape era came up—released free projects and had more freedom to sample and stuff and then were able to tour and sell merch off of that until they signed a deal. I always think about how so much stuff from that era doesn't exist on the charts and will sort of be erased in rap canon because downloads/listens weren't counted anywhere besides datpiff and a lot still aren't on streaming due to sample clearances and stuff. More and more artists are getting their old albums cleared for streaming these days though which is dope

    Yeah this is pretty much what I was trying to say but better lol. I don't care about the length as long as it's earned/achieves the artist's vision.
     
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