Oct 26, 2015 @WPG was Slug considered? I think I remember you comparing him to Bob dylan as the greatest song writer in the world at some point in the past
Oct 26, 2015 I hate how this thread turned into obsessive eminem fans arguing about his lack of inclusion. I would have liked to have seen him on this list or every list concerning best to ever do it but yhe fact remains that eminem's only influence was with white kids and their parents. Also if you guys would even put forth the effort to listen to any of these mentioned rappers bodies of work you might open your mind a little and experience a different take on music and art. You might actually find something new and entertaining, h--- you may even change your stance on who was better than who. I'm glad I got out of my eminem stan phase,s--- looks pathetic
Oct 26, 2015 The bolded sentence is false and you know it. The constant complaints about Em not being on are annoying but so is the unprecedented backlash. It goes both ways.
Oct 26, 2015 @WPG just curious, what are your thoughts on Fabulous? Not saying he should be on this list but I don't think I've ever seen you mention him.
Oct 26, 2015 who tf is ishmael butler lmaoooo and no outkast?? no flocka? Flocka should have replaced ismael
Oct 26, 2015 How is it false? Outside of the people I mentioned who did he influence? He didn't change the course of hip hop like kanye has time and time again. I love his music but other than popularity and being one of the highest selling artists of all time doesn't make him the best
Oct 26, 2015 very similar to my thread.. and completely disagree with the recent list, kevin gates? nah
Oct 26, 2015 I enjoy me some Kevin gates but what makes him a critical darling? To me he seems Quan tier
Oct 26, 2015 Besides the obvious of breaking the color barrier (yes, their were white rappers before Em like the Beastie Boys but they were never given the same amount of respect/acknowledgement Em got), he influenced/paved the way for tons of other artists. He signed 50 Cent, Obie Trice, D12, etc. all who've had their fair share of critical and commercial success. He's influenced numerous current generation artists such as Mac Miller, Tyler the Creator, J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar etc. I never said anything about Kanye or about him being the best but Em's impact on the genre is unquestionable. He's arguably hip-hop's biggest name/face.
Oct 26, 2015 he was a massive regional star with virtual no national profile, then dropped a mixtape (the first luca brasi) that shattered that ceiling and made him, until yeezus dropped in june, the most talked-about rapper in the world. then he came back a few months later...and topped it. i'm on the record as a big fan of quan's music, and he pulls at least half the weight on the rich g--- tape, which i think is one of the two or three best records of the decade. but none of his solo tapes approach those three consecutive ones from gates. the latter has all the technical chops of [fill in the blank] but uses them to starkly different, and often unexpected ends. he's one of the grittiest, most brutally precise writers in rap, up there with woods and gibbs etc. "430 am" alone would put him on the short list for 2013.
Oct 26, 2015 eminem didn't break any color barriers. just as he didn't have a notable influence over his contemporaries, he was too big, too parallel to the rest of rap to really pave any ways. he was such a huge star as to be inimitable. as @M.I.C. has correctly pointed out many times, it was asher roth who provided the blueprint for the white rappers who are succeeding now (and the beasties before them). em won 50 in a bidding war. he was going to be a star anyway. nether d12 nor obie trice nor anyone else he signed is of any note at all in the grand scheme of things. no organic fan bases, little impact beyond being viewed as extensions of eminem.
Oct 26, 2015 I used kanye as an example as to why eminem isn't on this list. Eminem signed 50 Cent but I personally feel that 50 had a bigger impact on hip hops direction more than eminem. Saying eminem signed Obie and d12 aren't exactly strong points to your argument either. The Beastie Boys are pioneers. No one is saying anything about eminem not being successful or a crappy rapper but he's not a game changer like kanye or even dr dre and as far as opening the door for white rappers I think he hurt the cause more than helped it. How many white rappers were popular during his reign? 0. It wasn't until asher Roth popped up that white rappers started being more prominent, if anything he opened the door wider than eminem did
Oct 26, 2015 Can you name a white rapper prior to Em that recieved the same amount of recognition/respect/success as he did when he first broke into the scene? There certainly was a color barrier broken after him. He didn't necessarily "lay out a blue print" but he proved that it was a possibility for a white rapper to be both commercially successful and respected by the hip-hop community which enabled/pushed artists like Asher Roth or Mac Miller into pursuing rap careers. Eminem made that idea a reality. Not sure what biding war you're referring too. 50's agent knew Rosenberg and gave him a copy of one of 50's projects to show Em. Em heard it, liked it and flew both 50 and his manager out to LA to meet him and Dre. The rest is history. 50 may have thrived else where but whether he would have become the star he is now without Dre/Em in his corner is very debatable. what do you mean you used Kanye as an example? No one is talking about Kanye lol. If Em were to be any where on this list it'd be between the years 99-03 before Kanye's rap career even started. With that being said, I don't see how Kanye is relevant at all to what we're discussing. You keep making comparisons just for the h--- of it. I'm not claiming Em was as impactful as Kanye or Dre, never said that. But to claim Em "wasn't a game changer" and act as if we could just erase him from history and the genre wouldn't be different at all is a bit ridiculous.
