Eminem Did d12 ruin Eminem?

Started by attila, Feb 13, 2020, in Eminem Add to Reading List

  1. grizzyp
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    Devils night is the best cd he’s made. So no.
     
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  2. grizzyp
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    while I do like forever more than anything he’s released after it. That verse itself is extremely basic not a complex rhyme scheme at all
     
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  3. Mikey
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    vood point that I never considered.
    I remember Just Blaze said he told Eminem he needed to quit the accent & start making songs. Recovery was good although not aged great due to the production.

    Since Royce came back. Eminem is treating his music like a sport not an art.
     
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    Better make sure you're packing a wallop.

    Feb 15, 2020
    Can't tell if srs...

    Being sober is waaaay more beneficial for Eminem than him being high. For any human, really. Why do you think he had "writers block" when his addiction to prescription pills was at its peak? Why do you think he felt like he couldn't write shit worth a penny? Why do you think the first two verses on "Beautiful" are so bare bones, not really packed with any rhymes like Eminem usually would have?

    Because he was high as a f--king kite...his brain was clouded, all he could think about was getting his fix. His creativity was stumped. Go take some drugs, develop an addiction, and report back to us with a classic album, my man. Would love to see that shit.

    OT: I think the whole modern day battle rap era has fucked Eminem over. Seems like he's paying a lot of attention to those guys, just with the way he delivers shit. Not to mention, he's always trying to one-up himself so he tries to find ways to sound different than his last album. Too bad he has run himself into a corner and really can't get out, unless he comes out with a fully conceptual album...but a man can dream.
     
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  5. Tone Riggz
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    Feb 16, 2020
    That was the era of Rap crews and Em needed them. He also got props for putting his people on. If he hadn't done so, he more than likely would have been criticized for it. Em made goofy songs on his own too. It was mutually beneficial.
     
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  6. Boos
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    Yea like, I hate when these stans on here y’all about, “well his technical skill is better than it’s ever been now.” Like wtf does that even mean? He can rhyme more syllables together than before? Who gives a f--k. It’s music, not a f--king puzzle.
     
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  7. Zhaddow
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    Lyrical miracle is the most important aspect in music
     
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  8. young snow
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    For Eminem, writing lyrics is a puzzle. He was technically proficient in the past (meaning his use of rhymes, and literary devices was great), but nowadays he not only packs songs with multi-syllable rhymes, he comes with better wordplay, metaphors, double entendre's. He wasn't crafting songs like "Never Love Again" or "Darkness" in his younger years. He wasn't really experimenting creatively like he did on Relapse back in his younger days. Overall, as an artist, he's ventured into all sorts of different territory, throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

    "And you just want me for my money
    So I got you wrapped all in saran
    Damn, talk about eatin' out the palm
    Of my hand" (from "Never Love Again")

    Dude just needs to concentrate his focus and deliver on a truly conceptual album. I'm growing tired of his arbitrary "I'm da best, u da weakest" raps, and those Tech N9ne impressionist flows need to gooooo.
     
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  9. CSA
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    Stan is his best storytelling song. I never said it you guys said it for years. Can't nobody tell me it's more impressive than darkness tho. Sonically, u can discuss because music is subjective but there is nothing to discuss when it comes to the lyrical ability and technical aspect. Darkness is easily better. Bonnie and Clyde is one of my favs but doubt it gets any recognition after all. That song is something special. The way he sounds on that track etc. I'm not saying there is a huge difference, I'm just saying the guy is better in some ways now and it's a fact. Since he was already perfect in his prime, it's pretty normal that somethings such as his flow or the way he sounds might not always be smooth as it was. But if you don't think songs like castle and arose are top notch em, no need to discuss. You are just another guy who kids himself about Eminem and stuck in the past. You wouldn't even admit it was a classic if em released tes today.
     
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  10. GawDEDEDE
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    No.
     
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  11. fezzer
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    Came to post this.
     
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    Hes still dropping great music so no
     
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  13. froboy6942
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    100% a factor at Eminem's decline post 2010 but how much of a role that played is impossible to pinpoint. Royce was the SOLE reason for MMLP2 and obviously Hell: The Sequel. Em said Hell: The Sequel was how he delved into creating MMLP2. That record created various f--king bad habits for Em that are still present to this day. It's rough because Revival sort of felt like Em trying to go back and recreate that same shit Recovery had but failing miserably. Maybe that was his unconscious way of trying to recapture that 2010 magic he had?..We all know how those projects shaped Em's trajectory in various ways. I do believe Royce has helped Em at certain points since then but was it correcting bad habits he developed by reconnecting with him in the first place??? I really wish we could know where Em would have went if Royce and him never linked back up. Em did reconnect with Royce prior to 2010 because Slaughterhouse was in the background of 2009's Forever music video. Maybe it was more so creating Hell: The Sequel when it comes down to it? I don't know.
     
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  14. StanMitchell
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    If I were to attribute Em's downturn to any outside force, it would be Rick Rubin. Respected guy whose decisions you think you can trust but brings unauthentic, over-powering rock influence to Em's work. However at the end of the day I think the influence of others is overestimated.
     
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    D12 is the most untalented group of people since Outlawz. What is it about great rappers being stuck with complete talent vacuums?

    I used the term "most untalented" rather than "least talented" because least talent would imply there is some.
     
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  16. fezzer
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    If it wasn't for Royce/Slaughterhouse he wouldn't have gotten into the obsession with rapping fast and rhyming any little shitty word.
    Old school Eminem always be best, can visualise his story telling, nowadays its crap for the sake of it.
     
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  17. Epitome
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    This.

    Royce is the biggest Yes man that Em has ever had in his inner circle, while everything we have heard about Proof is he would question him and really try to snap him back out of making bad decisions musically.

    MMLP2 was pushed onto Eminem by money hungry Paul, old out of touch Rick Rubin, and Yes man Royce
     
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  18. froboy6942
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    Don't negate Em's storytelling ability due to his lackluster output. Step Dad, Darkness, Going Through Changes, Love The Way You Lie, Nice Guy/Good Guy, In Your Head, Castle, Arose, and a few others showcase his insane genius talent since then. Slaughterhouse did skew his trajectory with becoming mother f--king obsessed with 'stop/go flow', 'overly technical', 'robotic', 'rhyme every word & line', etc. bullshyt. Fans overall ate up that shit like once or twice but that was where it should have stopped. I will forever argue Eminem would have continued to drop near SSLP/MMLP/TES classics if he had the proper guidance after getting sober. He lacks the person to word "this sucks cock"/"not what fans want" in a way that he can easily digest.
     
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  19. underground
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    Eminem’s change in music after relapse I’d imagine interscope is to blame not Royce d12 or even his sobriety
     
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  20. fezzer
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    Agree, he does do a few here and there good story telling songs and they are the ones I would tend to revisit. All the rest though im not to interested in.
     
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