Jan 5, 2022 In December in Wales there was a study of the full population. Data from Public Health Wales shows that of the 544 people in hospital with the virus on December 2, more than three-quarters (76.1%) had been doubled-jabbed, 3.5% had received only one dose and 16.5% were unvaccinated. The majority of Covid-19 patients at the time were over 60. That’s with 72% of the population fully vaccinated. 21% unvaccinated. Closer than you may think. Numbers never show the data for healthy populations only so this distorts the data too. Omicron will only reduce these numbers given its current trajectory of higher contagiousness & lower danger. People need to stop touting vaccines as the great saviour & focus on reducing transmission as well.
Jan 5, 2022 This is largely a sample size problem: if you have a population with a high vaccination rate, of course most the hospitalization within that population are going to be vaccinated people because there’s few unvaccinated people to begin with. This isn’t a knock on vaccines because if the percentages were flipped (72% unvaccinated) there would be far more hospitalizations in total. A disease as infectious as COVID-19, especially the omicron variant, is only going to stop spreading if countries partake in China-esque lockdowns. It’s just not feasible (or even doable) in a lot of western countries. Best thing you can do is 1) get fully vaccinated 2) mask up around large groups of people & indoors 3) if you feel sick, get tested & stay home.
Jan 5, 2022 You can find 1,000 studies that show the opposite, or at minimum, take a look at the ICU numbers, which is what really counts. 90%+ of all ICU patients are unvaxxed
Jan 5, 2022 The vast majority of whom no doubt had pre-existing conditions, which is what really counts. Or so it seems to me...
Jan 5, 2022 I've had it twice. First time, really mild flu-like symptoms, second time none. Just what I'd expected given my health.
Jan 5, 2022 I definitely think the Bogdanoff twins should be the faces of the Anti-vax movement for now on out.
Jan 5, 2022 That’s why I added the vaccinated/unvaccinated population percentage numbers for a complete comparison with hospitalisation rate & they are close, sometimes even overlapping as the vaccines aren’t as effective with newer variants, not really an arguable point & far from the general narrative. A sample size of 3 million population is pretty high. Again, not saying vaccines are useless, & more-so not the case for elderly & immunocompromised, hence why I said ‘breaking transmission as well’ but individual choice shouldn’t be shamed neither as it doesn’t contribute to curbing the virus whilst everyone takes off their masks & stops social distancing. Things need to be focussed on in conjunction with each other. I can agree about the China point this far in, although I do think it was genuinely possible had it been done at the very start as had we all done it, the virus wouldn’t be here anymore (they’ve only had 3 citywide lockdowns in the whole pandemic) & then after that wasn’t achieved here - infrastructure was built like ventilation throughout buildings, locking down correctly by breaking transmission not just open up once it’s at a ‘manageable level’ (work & social lockdowns too, not just social) & supporting the workers & businesses through efficient & necessary furlough payment schemes & free food deliveries by mobilising the civil servants like in other countries & increasing testing tenfold by subsidising etc in the last 2 years instead of dithering about because our governments don’t want to spend any money. This has been a humanitarian disaster from start to finish in the places we live in due to negligence, it has never been contained, it has never been controlled & it’s all through choice.
Jan 5, 2022 This is not what ‘really counts’ do you know how debilitating long-Covid alone is? Chronic illness is terrible & this is why herd immunity strategies are dangerous & shouldn’t be promoted but actively fought against. People are becoming physically & mentally damaged permanently after a run of Covid, is that not enough? They have to be on a ventilator for people to take it seriously?
Jan 5, 2022 I personally haven't had Covid yet, at least not that I know. Didn't even have a cold since we wearing masks. I've been very careful though.
Jan 5, 2022 Masks have helped with general influenza spread for sure. It’s been great to get less sick than usual, I have yet to catch covid too. Easy to understand why this is normalised in some East Asian countries.
Jan 5, 2022 Over half the US has a pre-existing condition, if you count smoking, lack of exercise, and/or being overweight
Jan 5, 2022 If any of you that read this don’t understand the potential consequences of long-Covid, spend some time studying this thread’s information: Make sure you have a change of underwear.