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Does Biggie belong on the top ten list?

Started by The Box, Mar 19, 2018, in Music Add to Reading List

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volvo said

flow is literally key plus tempo plus legato
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volvo said

'll just tell you the man who pronounced "single" as "sinGEEEEL" to rhyme with "mil" is not a good rhymer, period.
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volvo said

the majority of music fans are not well-versed in music
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volvo said

What makes for good writing is sophistication
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Man's played the flute in 7th grade and thinks he's well versed in music and deluded himself into thinking his opinion matters
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Big Dangerous said

How the f--k is n----s Bleed average storytelling?? There's no way you listen to that song and say that.

His rhymes are definitely not simple. Big's flow rhymes lyrical content was all good or great. Everything about his rapping was top notch. I mean if you don't see how I don't know how to open your eyes to what I and tons of other people are seeing.
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Can your fav rap as good as this tho?
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List your top 10 rappers @volvo
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HappyTreeFriends said

Can your fav rap as good as this tho?

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ofc not but that's not even fair tbh
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volvo said

Sure, fair point. Let's go:

Flow - right off the bat, average-at-best. I don't think people realize flow is literally key plus tempo plus legato... and that Biggie's flow shared elements with 99% of other rappers. It's rhymed syllable-stressing, rhythm-adjusting cadence. Literally every amateur goes for that style because it's easy to pull off. Some people even say you should rap your lyrics to the rhythm of your head bobbing to the beat, which helps you stay on-beat and eventually leads you to enlongating rhymed syllables. It's not impressive. The "smoothness" of Biggie's rapping is owed to his timbre, not his flow. His fundamental harmonic was louder than usual for men's voices, which yields a more pure tone rather than a gravely, average male timbre. Anyone with a basic understanding of sound knows this.

Lyricism - he was just not subtle at all, period. Is Biggie's on-your-face style of saying things with no subtext, no other reasons other than him just wanting to say things really what people call "good" lyricism? Then people go on to criticize Eminem's "shock value" lyrics, when Biggie was more of a shock value than Eminem is and was. Biggie had no reason to say he likes to spread the blood like mustard, or that he's glad a girl let him have anal sex with her other than him just wanting to say it. He's not an educated writer.

Rhyming - having to write on this is shameful. Give me one verse where he actually had a good, obviously intentional multi-syllabic pattern and then we'll talk. For the meantime, I'll just tell you the man who pronounced "single" as "sinGEEEEL" to rhyme with "mil" is not a good rhymer, period.
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Man Biggie probably didn't even know what the f--- legato is and he still is the greatest rapper of all time
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volvo said

Sure, fair point. Let's go:

Flow - right off the bat, average-at-best. I don't think people realize flow is literally key plus tempo plus legato... and that Biggie's flow shared elements with 99% of other rappers. It's rhymed syllable-stressing, rhythm-adjusting cadence. Literally every amateur goes for that style because it's easy to pull off. Some people even say you should rap your lyrics to the rhythm of your head bobbing to the beat, which helps you stay on-beat and eventually leads you to enlongating rhymed syllables. It's not impressive. The "smoothness" of Biggie's rapping is owed to his timbre, not his flow. His fundamental harmonic was louder than usual for men's voices, which yields a more pure tone rather than a gravely, average male timbre. Anyone with a basic understanding of sound knows this.

Lyricism - he was just not subtle at all, period. Is Biggie's on-your-face style of saying things with no subtext, no other reasons other than him just wanting to say things really what people call "good" lyricism? Then people go on to criticize Eminem's "shock value" lyrics, when Biggie was more of a shock value than Eminem is and was. Biggie had no reason to say he likes to spread the blood like mustard, or that he's glad a girl let him have anal sex with her other than him just wanting to say it. He's not an educated writer.

Rhyming - having to write on this is shameful. Give me one verse where he actually had a good, obviously intentional multi-syllabic pattern and then we'll talk. For the meantime, I'll just tell you the man who pronounced "single" as "sinGEEEEL" to rhyme with "mil" is not a good rhymer, period.
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Lol this @volvo guy is an idiot

He looked up musical terms and came in here hurt because biggie is better than anyone in his top 10
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Ill bet anything @volvo was born after 2000
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volvo said

Sure, fair point. Let's go:

Flow - right off the bat, average-at-best. I don't think people realize flow is literally key plus tempo plus legato... and that Biggie's flow shared elements with 99% of other rappers. It's rhymed syllable-stressing, rhythm-adjusting cadence. Literally every amateur goes for that style because it's easy to pull off. Some people even say you should rap your lyrics to the rhythm of your head bobbing to the beat, which helps you stay on-beat and eventually leads you to enlongating rhymed syllables. It's not impressive. The "smoothness" of Biggie's rapping is owed to his timbre, not his flow. His fundamental harmonic was louder than usual for men's voices, which yields a more pure tone rather than a gravely, average male timbre. Anyone with a basic understanding of sound knows this.

Lyricism - he was just not subtle at all, period. Is Biggie's on-your-face style of saying things with no subtext, no other reasons other than him just wanting to say things really what people call "good" lyricism? Then people go on to criticize Eminem's "shock value" lyrics, when Biggie was more of a shock value than Eminem is and was. Biggie had no reason to say he likes to spread the blood like mustard, or that he's glad a girl let him have anal sex with her other than him just wanting to say it. He's not an educated writer.

Rhyming - having to write on this is shameful. Give me one verse where he actually had a good, obviously intentional multi-syllabic pattern and then we'll talk. For the meantime, I'll just tell you the man who pronounced "single" as "sinGEEEEL" to rhyme with "mil" is not a good rhymer, period.
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Your point on flow is just false its just completely incorrect and as your points on lyricism and rhyming are correct im guessing you know this already so i wont go on about this.

Biggie was a very good rapper the technicalities your disscussing some of them held him back for sure however music is art. Art is the evolution of language its the way in which we express ourselves the most effectively if done well. Biggie managed to express himself through his music in every way weather it was beat selection, rhyme schemes, flow, lyrics. This is more important than a lot of the technicalities as that is what people connect to that is what translates on stage and thats what stands the test of time. Im not saying these technicalities arnt important but trying to decide weather or not someone was a great rapper or not cannot be done just on their technical ability this isnt maths. the artist that manage to reveal their true self through music the essence of their being are the ones we call legends and that is the reality of it and in truth is the most difficult skill to master.

Biggie top 10 no doubt
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Xmipod said

Ill bet anything @volvo was born after 2000
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Not to defend Volvo's cringe response but yikes at this lame n outplayed ageist comeback
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Wait @volvo is from HHS to troll can he be banned
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HappyTreeFriends said

Not to defend Volvo's cringe response but yikes at this lame outplayed ageist comeback
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I mean its the only reason as to why someone doesnt like him. Youre also just salty becauss youre 12

Just like how people say Jordan isnt the goat were born after 2000
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Xmipod said

I mean its the only reason as to why someone doesnt like him. Youre also just salty becauss youre 12

Just like how people say Jordan isnt the goat were born after 2000
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Yeah man! GOT EM!1!!!!! XD
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Hey guys i'm 1 years old and i don't like Biggie. Who even is Biggie lol i'm 1, oh wait i mean 12. Hihi look at me i'm playing with my iPad that i got for my first birthday and i already commented on Youtube, aren't i such a millenial?!! LMAO!!!!!! #mumblerappersarethebest
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Xmipod said

Wait @volvo is from HHS to troll can he be banned
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Is he really

Who on there
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Do people go through a "Biggie is overrated" phase like they do with Pac?
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Is he really

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Eagle or something

Idk who he is tho
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With a lil auotune to mask up his hissy voice i think Biggie could definitely crack open that top 1hunnid MC's list tbh
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