Serious El Paso Mass Shooting, 20+ dead

Started by Enigma, Aug 3, 2019, in Life Add to Reading List

  1. MichaelsMad
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    Aug 10, 2019
    And you continue to not talk about any solutions or add anything to the debate except pick over that one point. "Yikes yikes, this is a touchy subject so I'm just going to make cringey audible noises to not speak on this part" conservative talking points? Lol okay. So somebody joining a gang and killing over a section is totally different than someone killing 27 ppl in Walmart? Killing is only excused when its protecting or in self defense. So if you think killing over colors, drugs, corners is justified or understandable.....you're the one who should be ashamed of yourself lol. Just like I said, i agree social and systematic processes have placed people in these environments. It doesnt excuse it. You said mass shootings are a new phenomenon....but also said gang shootings have been around since the 20s and are understood. You're contradicting yourself. They're both murdering people. Think about how many people who have been killed by gang violence who were not involved in the lifestyle. People who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. it's not a conservative talking point, it's you choosing which you're gonna excuse, or which one you're gonna play the fiddle towards and be sympathetic towards or which one you're gonna categorize as "unfathomable" you can wrap your head around someone killing 15 ppl in a weekend bc of a "gang lifestyle" but cant comprehend someone shooting 27 ppl randomly at a Walmart? I really think you're either overly sympathetic to things, or you cant think past a news headline. Its murder across the board. You can place it under what ever category you want. But like my original post said, I'm willing to bet you have knowledge of anything involving firearms, round size, terminology or their capabilities. Every post I keep trying to talk about solutions and ways to fix it and you cant add to that. So respond however you're going to I'm done listening to you trying to justify one type of murder over the next and categorizing it while adding nothing else to the conversation bc all we did is talk in one big circle for a few hours. If I just reiterated conservative talking points, all you did was reiterate your original post 8 different times. I wasnt saying HAY LOOK AT CHICAGO. If you're dumbass read everything instead of cherry picking your "buzz words" you would of seen I only brought up Chicago because those 2 websites listed all of the "mass shootings" which included 2 people being wounded, but never listed anything from Chicago. I'll also add detorit, and Louisville to that. We had 16 murders in 2 days (one was 7 ppl at once, non gang related) that wasnt on their list either. So unless you wanna discuss what else we can do to address problems I'm done responding bc this just turned into an argument and not a debate.
     
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  2. MichaelsMad
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    Let me guess....you're one of those guys who speak out and get angry about people being stereotyped and generalized against....but you also stereotype and generalize people yourself?

    What's it like having your d-ck imprinted into the palm of your hand your whole life, and knowing your life equated to you being an unoriginal typical internet Kyle with recycled insults?

    What's it like knowing the only attention you get is when someone hopefully responds to your lame ass insult on a forum?

    What's it like to just now be learning that talking about someone else getting a blow job wont make you any closer to getting one?

    What's it like never mind. I'm not that interested in knowing what it's like to be you
     
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  3. Enigma
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    Aug 10, 2019
    Yes you weirdo. They’re both crimes committed for entirely different reasons.

    It’s astonishing how you still think I’m trying to justify any type of violence here. Your reading comprehension can’t be above a middle school level. Like Jesus Christ...

    I didn’t say that, statistics say that lol. I’m literally reiterating the facts to you. Go read the NYT article I cited. If you can’t make the distinction between a guy walking into a public space, seemingly shooting people indiscriminately & gang violence due to drug territory, retaliation, etc. I don’t know what to tell you. The difference matters if you care at all about resolving either issue.

    Criminologists & law enforcement do this all the fucken time lmao. They categorize crimes based on intent, motive, outcome etc. I’m not making this imaginary distinction: it’s literally utilized in real fucken life lol.
     
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  4. MichaelsMad
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    Look bruh, I'm just gonna ignore all the petty bitch insults bc regardless of you saying my reading comprehension is middle school level, I am thinking way worse about yours right now. Yes I would like to see both issues resolved....I've been trying to steer the convo in that direction my last 5 or 6 posts. I'd actually like to hear your ideas on the issue. I like to debates, and exchanging ideas, it's just so godamn annoying they have to turn into bs back and forths.

    For me I've already said some of the issues I think are. But also on the political stand point I'm torn every 4 years. I'm registered independent. Some things I lean right on (2nd amendment, military budget, some finance issues, not all) then I lean left on things like abortion. Prison reform, decriminalization of marijuana, lotta social issues I'm always left. I find it hard to believe anyone is fully left or fully right and not torn on atleast one topic. I feel like neither the right nor the left are what they used to be, they're both extreme and it's like you have to be all in on one thing or f--k you. I cant stand how the right wants to bring jesus and religion into everything (I'm an atheist) and the bigoted side of the party. But I also hate how the left is with its "cancel culture" and loosely using phrases and accusations of everyone. It's like if you dont agree with them on everything you're a pos.

    So legit question. What do you think should change and how. And if you have a problem with any certain fire arm what is it and why? I've always enjoyed this forum and I really like to just talk and exchange opinions on music and life with people. If I'm going to argue and insult someone I'd rather it be face to face and serve a purpose lol.
     
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  5. Enigma
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    Yes, you’ve been trying to steer the conversation because your previous argument was idiotic & indefensible but you’re too stubborn to admit it. Instead, you resort to lying about how I’m trying to “justify violence” when I’m obviously not lmao.

    Universal background checks; mental health screenings; firearm registry; mandatory testing; mandatory waiting periods; expand ATF by slashing DEA.
     
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    It's astonishing that people want to deflect from the issue and scream 'CHICAGO!' or cite statistics comparing how many people die in car accidents or medical errors. It's a lazy f--king argument and justifies the typical response to these mass shootings, which is to do nothing.
     
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    Aug 10, 2019
    I got a misso whos an ex cheerleader not an ex-piglette .

    What's it like knowing your posts got salty perma virgin written all over em?
     
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  8. MichaelsMad
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    I'm not too stubborn to admit anything, you're the one whose too emotional and too stubborn to see that saying " I'm not justifying violence
    I was steering the convo bc you cant f--king see how many times you're contradicting your godamn self. you said you were not justifying violence, and then proceeded to talk about why gang violence is more understandable and not the same thing. No shit it's not the "same" thing but it's both unexcusable murder. But proceeding to say why gang violence is more understood is a form of justifying it.

    They do it to show how small of a precent people are dying by "mass shootings" in comparison. And to show you how emotional people are over "mass shootings" but nothing else. You cherry pick what form of murder upsets or what issue you wanna fight against. It's not saying "HEY DRUNK DRIVERS ARE WAY WORSE THAN MASS SHOOTERS" its "yo....way more ppl are dying in gang violence and drunk driving....why arent you keeping the same energy in those categories" but then all you do is say "omg you're so sick, you're rational is horrible, how can you not care about all da peoples!?!?!?!?!" And the SECOND anyone doesnt agree with you, you get an automatic extreme left vs extreme right fight mentality without even talking to the person before you just fly off the handle at them. It's not about saying this or that is worse than mass shootings it's why tf arent you this passionate about everything else.
     
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  9. Enigma
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    “Justifiable” & “understandable” are two TOTALLY different words. They have entirely different definitions lol. I haven’t contradicted myself at all lmao you just suck at reading comprehension.


    HAHAHAHAHA no it isn’t you idiot. Being more knowledgeable about one form of violence doesn’t mean you find it justified, dumbass.
     
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  10. MichaelsMad
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    That's funny bc their synonyms of one another. What are you, 17-22? Have you ever shot a gun? Do you know anything about firearms? Have you ever been in an altercation in your life? Or are you the typical 150 lb pussy, who needs to hit the gym and take some boxing/BJJ instead of stay in a state of panic over guns bc the only time he feels being confrontational is over the internet? You're a pushy little f--k I give you that. From the get go you just wanna insult people or pop shit.
     
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  11. Enigma
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    Please tell me this is a Trent alias. It would make so much more sense.
     
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  12. MichaelsMad
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    Not to mention everything you proposed, while fine by me. Isnt going to put a dent in the grand scheme of things. It's so funny seeing people like you have this child like enthusiasm and wide eyed dreams and outlook of " IM STANDING FOR SOMETHING WERE GONNA CHANGE THIS AND CHANGE THE WORLD BC I DONT LIKE IT I HAVE A VOICE AND PPL WILL LISTEN" but never have any knowledge about what you're wanting to change. Dumbass kids like you are why trumps idiotic ass won, bc you never have any legit information or detailed discussions about what, why, and how you're going to change things. You're approach is to just quote, RT, or post what someone says and say "yikes....omg how can ppl be like this....wowwwww the world is so crazy" or when someone disagrees with you you yell, insult them or whatever, you steer the conversation as far away from the topic as you can bc you know nothing about fire arms or any of the situations.
     
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    Um dude, the point is that lawmakers have done things to reduce the number of casualties in those other categories. They haven't done shit about guns, and there are definitely things they CAN do to reduce the number of times this happens. Are you being dense on purpose?
     
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    I've literally gave things they need to change....you and me agree on things needing to change. This whole f--king argument is bc that dude is mad bc he said gang violence is understood but mass shootings arent.....he gives things that can help "mass shootings" but has the attitude that gang violence isnt an issue and it's just gonna happen. I'm talking about everything from every angle but you're too dense to see that. You have tunnel vision on one subject. I'm saying your cherry picking a VERY SMALL percentage of gun deaths in these loosely titled "mass shootings" these past 2 were mass shootings....but when they like to say "200 thousand mass shootings" they're full of shit bc when you look at their list it has things like 2 ppl being wounded... they're making it sound bigger than it is. Way more gang violence. Robberies, suicides etc happen with guns over "MASS" shootings. And my point is the MAJORITY of ppl murdering arent buying guns legally. You see 2 ppl shoot up an area and you wanna gun reform. But they're in the minority. The majority of crimes done with a gun are done with guns that arent some in stores, dont have serial numbers, or come from a black market source. Yes eliminating 3rd party pawn shops and gun shows will help but it doesnt change the fact the majority are done with illegally obtained guns, and the 'mass shootings' are the minority. And no law or reform is going to stop people getting things from a source.
     
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    “Guys, im really pro gun control but like... it’s really not going to work anyways. Even though it’s worked every single other developed nation in the world.”

    I hope you’re trolling at this point.


    Wait... I’m steering the conversation now? Lmao let’s have a quick recap:

    You’re actually really fucken bad at this lmaooo.
     
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    From the get go you wanna act like you got some moral high ground cause your ex wifes a filthy fucken pig c-nt and you shot guns without comitting violence cuz your fakket ass rich white parents gave their bitch nigga child everything he cried for in life.

    "haha bro like premeditated gang violence is just the same as some spergo c-nt-teen flipping out and mass killing people"
    Sure you were married to a cop? Oh wait yeah Cops are dumb as shit so this moral stance makes sense. Please kill yourself you f--king loser.
     
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    Are you saying most mass shooters are white? Cause according to Mass Shooting Tracker, a mainstream source widely used by the media, 51% of mass shooters this year were black and only 29% were white.

    And before you or someone calls me racist for pointing this out, remember 1. you correlated race with mass shootings first and 2. I'm just going by what the data actually says on this.
     
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    Literally didn't say anything about most mass shooters being white. You're making a statement that never needed to be made. Unless you're trying white supremacists into this, then that's a different problem.
     
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    You're getting tripped up by the propaganda term white supremacy, aka racism. Enigma's post smacks of the usual anti-white rhetoric we get from media groups, NGOs etc. CNN even ran an op-ed claiming mass shootings are a "white man's problem." I don't know if you pay a lot of attention to politics, but it's common knowledge that anti-whiteness is the new anti-semitism.
     
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    What the f--k are you talking about? Are you saying that anti whiteness is bad for the people? Dont even try desensitizing me on white supremacy.
     
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