Dec 13, 2024 @Disorderly Progress >Yeah 'Bully' is undeniable. Should be mentioned as one of the best diss tracks ever. But never is, along with none of Em's, bc of the opponents aka not very well respected rappers - but the opponent is irrelevant. It's irrelevant to whether the insults are clever, or it's well written or a good song or rap lol, so I don't get this. i love everythin about this song from the effortless delivery to the super melodic hook to the amazing humor and imagery. when talking about em’s top diss tracks most people mention the sauce, nail in the cofin, the warning, quitter, can-i-b---- etc, but a lot of times bully is overlooked. that’s a good point that maybe it’s just because people don’t really care about irv gotti lol. but you’re right when the song is that good people should praise and acknowledge it whomever it’s about. “plus the stylist you f----- when you was ecstasy’dup was just a man who’s dressedup as a white b----, you ain’t no motherfuckin bully!” the song is just an absolute joy to listen to. it’s such a shame he lost his knack for natural musicality when he relearned how to rap. the accents i think helped camouflage that and it’s much better now than it was from like 2011-2021 (or ha rapbot phase as i call it) but even now he still kinda sounds like a computer trying to compose a symphony. that’s why the end of the fuel remix (11/10 verse, best feature since medicine man) stood out to me. the way he almost sings the “my elevator’s stuck somewhere between 2 levels mc’s won’t ever see” is so smooth and musical, it actually reminded me of bully when i first listened. and i realize gunz n smoke is likely from the gta sessions, so im really hype to hear how the part 2 im expecting of tdoss sounds >'Ether' for example, its overall vibe is what puts it there. But most of Nas' insults are lame af, like, schoolyard just 'gay-z!', it's like 10 yr old insults throughout lol. Em does that too, but overall much more intelligent; 'Bully' is like a fkn therapist chair breakdown, and he fkn signs it like some melody you've known your whole life or some fkn rap opera/children's rhyme I don't know but it's just brilliant I agree. nas is very overrated to me. illmatic and stillmatic are amazing albums, and one mic is top 10 non-em rap songs ever. but his discography post-stillmatic is largely unlistenable and became exponentially moreso as time went on. but ether is a really great song and defines what a diss track could be and inspired a lot of em’s most famous disses. but it’s just that, inspiration. it in no way shape or form surpasses em’s skillset. he reads those bully lyrics like they’re f---in gospel man. which is ironic considering he’s made 2 incredibly mediocre songs with gospel in the name in as many years. kind of ironic for a born again christian especially since that faith was part of his sobriety. i would think he’d be more passionate about it tbh >Yeah true @ Recovery to his discog. Although it's flawed, there's a h--- of a lot of good songs on it and it's actually very consistent too, everything sounds at home. It's just the production is cheap and messy and some of his worst pun writing ever, but overall... it's p slamming and an important album for him i’ve a lot to say about recovery. i enjoy this album a lot more than most people. it’s one of my favs. although the production is a bit low budget it’s very uniform and easily his most sonically cohesive album. as for the writing, he made this album in 4 months on a whim after just blaze convinced him to drop the accents and cancel relapse 2. cold wind blows is the ideal opener. the intro makes me super hype the way he sings the da dum dum da dum part and reacquaints himself with the audience. t2m and gtc are amazing and play off of deja vu and beautiful brilliantly. there literally isn’t a volume loud enough for the first verse of wbd. the sales numbers on not afraid speak for themselves, one of the most popular songs of all time, and maybe the single most inspirational song ever written. there are seventeen layers of vocals on the bridge alone. that song brought me out of so many dark places in actually becoming emotional writing this. seduction and no love along with drop the world are obviously a necessary response to what wayne and ye did to him by hijacking forever but his parts on the songs are still great. then we come to 25 to life. while a great song, and brilliant, he made about a billion clones of it i wish i could unlisten to. moving on. i love so bad. YOU AINT GONNA WANNA f--- NOBODY ELSE AGAIN. cinderella man and almost famous are so exciting to listen to and both are still in my rotation because to me they’re like till i collapse turned to 11. ltwyl receives a bad rap for the windowpane line but people need to understand that nobody talked about domestic violence like that before this song. it was incredibly groundbreaking in that regard. the story behind it is crazy. it was the first song he recorded for the album with just blaze. he sent it to rihanna and she hated it. so he completed the album and shortly before release, paul sent em skylar’s ltwyl beat and hook. em was so inspired he wrote the song, sent it to rihanna, she loved the track and re recorded the hook. he added it to the album at the end before yno and the rest is history. ltwyl and not afraid were (may still be) the only 2 digital diamond songs on the same album. even the hidden and bonus tracks are great and fit right in with the album >I do enjoy the h--- out of MMLP2 songs too. Just a shame about it as an album, and the title. And it's just a notch of disrespect to his artistry bc of the sonic flaws/how it's put together, along with Revival. aside from the stupidity of making himself try to top mmlp, which is a quantum impossibility just because of how different society and media are now, rick rubin should be hung by his zztop lookin a--- beard for what he did to those 2 albums. it’s CRIMINAL. em rapped his head off on mmlp2 and rubin made literally every song sound as bad as possible. the only tracks i enjoy the mixing on are survival, legacy, rap god and evil twin, and that’s only because they were all recorded in 2011 before he brought rubin on. im starting to think revival was more a product of the label than of em’s own mind. what a total f---ing loss >I think I'd keep Kami and Side A too tbh. Or Side A/B as just 1, double album. *randy jackson voice* that’s gonna be a no for me dawg. i’d combine the tracks i can actually stand from revival, kami, a+b and it would BARELY make one listenable album. but it would still be a necessary part of his discog nonetheless. there’s just so much d--- filler from that era it’s crazy. “PLEASE LOVE ME IMAGINARY GIRLFRIEND!“ tf??? >Infinite would be great if they redid it all, remastered too, like they did with the title track. It's a great little album, classic 90s vibe, and doesn't actually sound that much 'like AZ n Nas' lol as soon as Em said that everyone just says it now, even people who probably never listen to either. The title track def sounds like AZ... and there's flickers of Naz here n there, but overall nothing like him, how tf does 'Open Mic' or '313' sound anything like Nas lol. He writes completely differently, flows and delivery completely diff... You could still tell he was a unique talent on it, and all the songs are good. And it has some great fkn writing on it, even compared to all of his discog. I mean for him to make 'It's OK' that early on too showed his talent, it's still a really top tier 'personal' / introspective Em track. I mean... well to be fair to him the album was panned when it released as being a knock off of what nas was doing. but to me it’s lightyears ahead of nas lyrically even if he did produce it in his basement. infinite, it’s o.k., maxine, never 2 far, open mic, backstabber, are all genius tracks and if it actually sounded good sonically i think it woulda been much more successful. idk why em cancelled that fbt remaster and the lose yourself documentary > "One day I plan to be a family man happily married I want to grow to be so old that I have to be carried 'Til I'm glad to be buried" "'Cause I'm still struggling hard to be the man, and it's tough 'Cause man it's been rough, but still I manage enough I've been taken advantage of, damaged and scuffed My hands have been cuffed But I don't panic and huff, frantic and puff" "My little brother's tryna learn his mathematics He's asthmatic, running home from school away from crack addicts Kids attract static, children with automatics Taking target practice on teens for Starter Jackets" ...this is great f---ing writnig. Even some of the puns are better written than modern-Em puns, 'I'll run ya brain around the block to jog ya f---ing memory'' ''simple as ABCs, skip over the Ds and rock the microphone with ease'' there’s so much great emotion and original ideas on this album. but slim shady needed to be born eventually… >Anyway, So yeah, I really only wanna lose Encore, Revival & MMLP2 tbh. And again, I really love the rapping and a lot of songs on MMLP2, but, it's just such a dent given the title and as an album... f--- it, Infinite's back!, I gotta keep Kami too. It's a stick of dynamite. Also, Infinite - ironically one of his most honest albums as actually him. 'It's OK' is basically him entirely, truthful, of what he wants, his fears, and... with no pretense to uphold of 'the angry evil rapper' that even if he's not enacting, he's referring to and perceptions of etc. OK: 1. Infinite 2. SSLP 3. MMLP 4. TES 5. Relapse 6. Recovery 7. Kamikaze 8. MTBMB 9. TDOSS << that even looks so, so, much, much bettteeerr, tbh. Amazing what a few bad albs can do to the whole percep. I know you hate me for the MTBMB inclusion though but give a n1hgah some slack cutting nah mean. It's like that thing, going back to Tarantino, he said it about film... saying about how Death Proof damaged his rep a bit and, with directors... it's almost like... 1 bad one it takes... 3 good ones to get back to where you were. Like to overcome the damage done. I think he's absolutely right. The above flows well too, there's no 'wtf' albums like, just as a story of his discog too... You got the 3 persona albums back to back, all classics, and kind of musical peak at TES, and maxes out the self-analysis and become serious and literal - boom. Show ends/takes a break for a bit. Encore woulda been great in that story, if he did it right but, anyway... Then - b---, outta nowhere, back with something that sounds nothing like, not just any of the prior and such a contrast to TES, but nothing like anything in rap history like 'wtf is this, hypppee'. Then Recovery, another total sonic left flip and huge album and songs, big notch; but perfect conceptually to follow Relapse... After he 'recovers', he decides to relapse again - b---! into all you mother f---ers. Then he continues the onslaught with MTBMB, f all you fkers!... then himself with TDOSS. s---'s kinda perfect d---,. I might email Em n axe if he can edit his discog for me. Wow super long essay ese. Although I believe we both read and write very quickly vs. some so I know it's all good. i don’t mind replying to these i love the intellectual discussion. it’s refreshing. i just think he ran the love and murder theme into the ground like he did the accents on refill. i’m just glad he’s back to his old self again even if half the album is ai and old recordings. it sonically wayyy better than any of what he’s been doing since recovery
Dec 13, 2024 After a full day, yeah gun smoke is good. I think I like it more the. Murdergram & from the d to the LBC so far. I actually would have liked the 2000 a.i vocals to be used more throughout the verses tho. Or layering. Whatever yall know what I mean m. I wonder if this the last song he will use it on since the era is wrapped up soon
Dec 13, 2024 He didn't. Some of his most melodic hooks are post-OD. Deja Vu, Music Box, Elevator, My Darling, Discombobulated. There must be some other reason he lost so much of his musical mojo.
Dec 13, 2024 well a lot of that is from album 6, but i see your point. although by em’s own admission the accents made it much easier to follow beats, sumn he still struggles with even today. producers often need to rework beats around his deliveries as opposed to the other way around. those songs are all amazing though and i wish he could manage to recapture that today
Dec 13, 2024 Why does that matter if it's after he "relearned how to rap"? That was just an excuse. See here for the real explanation for the accents (another pre-Relapse era song with an accent I forgot to mention is the "Step Right Up" freestyle, where -- importantly -- he talks about the MJ controversy).
Dec 13, 2024 Thanks! It took forever to find but I first saw it in an old unofficial DBZ magazine I had when I was a kid. It had some neat pictures but it was terribly written. Think Sucksup level English.
Dec 13, 2024 @BiG MONKEY >Why does that matter if it's after he "relearned how to rap"? it wasn’t, album 6 was recorded 2005-2006 before king mathers. but im tryna say you’re right that those particular songs do sound good for being mixed after the comeback but they’re also all 2009, and all hooks, where’s this now >That was just an excuse. See here for the real explanation for the accents (another pre-Relapse era song with an accent I forgot to mention is the "Step Right Up" freestyle, where -- importantly -- he talks about the MJ controversy). the replies to that thread say a lot, and again that freestyle was before 2008 and his final rehab stint where he taught himself how to rap again beginning with detroit basketball. i made a very detailed timeline and explanation of the recording of those 2 songs, relapse, refill, relapse 2, forever, recovery and the beginnings of mmlp2 here that may help you: http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=174215 in the last post i attempted to further explain what happened with forever but the forum closed before i could complete my research
Dec 13, 2024 Last night Eminem did an even bigger concert attendance with over 200,000 attendees at the festival.This is even bigger then his Wembley concerts. As this was a festival there were other artist, but Em was a headliner. Like d--- his impact is crazy overseas. News is reporting it to be a record breaking show out
Dec 13, 2024 I also like how thier concepts mix. The fun smoke music video had them dumping a body with Eminem Jordan’s. Kinda like that was Shady’s corpse. Perfect seque to Eminem’s next album opener when he rises from the river like Stan
