Kendrick Lamar In response to @Tyler claiming T&Y > TPAB

Started by sheldon, Feb 2, 2018, in Kendrick Lamar Add to Reading List

  1. sheldon
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    LMAOOOOOOOOO bruh i can hear those exact strings in my head rn thats crazy i didnt even know he used garageband loops on his album
     
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  2. sheldon
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    its not overused. maybe its overused for Lupe, since thats what he is.
     
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  3. Step Daddy
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    Prisoner 1&2 second best song on the album who gvies a f--- if its a garage band sample
     
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    if you've heard it in the program before it's really hard to ignore, I remember that loop from f---ing around on there when I was like 15 and it just feels so out of place.
     
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  5. sheldon
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    not even top 5 imo. first half is boring tbch. second half is lit asf tho
     
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  6. Step Daddy
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    lyrically, hes easily one of the best of all time. If hes puedo intellectual then so is every lyrical rapper
     
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    minority opinion, I remember seeing a best song on T&Y poll some where and most people voted Prisoner 1/2
     
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  8. sheldon
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    nah there's a big difference between falling in the pseudo-intellect category and the top tier lyricist category. Lupe is a fantastic lyricist. T&Y is however, the definition of pseudo-intellectual lyricism. just saying big words, having song concepts and double entendres doesnt make you a top tier lyricist. you have to be able to balance these things and make your raps easy to understand. thats why we hold Biggie in such high regard in lyricism. he wasnt talking bout complex s---. but the way he said it made him an amazing lyricist.

    like i said i the OP, Lupe is great lyrically but his words and hidden messages are not as immediate and grabbing as TPAB. this makes him a less effective lyricist in the process of trying to be a good one. Kendrick knows when and how to balance lyricism and concepts. none of the concepts are hard to grasp on TPAB. Kendrick does a great job of delivering complex lyricism while still making it easy to digest and understand. Lupe does not do that well, which makes him a less effective lyricist.

    Lupe on this album lyrically is the same problem i had with Ab-Soul on DWTW. too coded and deep to the point where it gets annoying occasionally.
     
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    whaattt, so its less lyrical because you find it hard to understand? that was one the things i liked about T&Y and DWTW, the amount of research i did looking into themes they talk about through out the album.
     
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  10. Groovy Tony
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    Nah F&L2 is pseudo-intellectual. T&Y is tame in comparison
     
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    TPAB is a great album. I was wrong.
     
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    think of it this way. if you ask someone for directions to the nearest gas station, and they gave you the longest explanation, giving you all of these pointless detours and alternative roads and pathways you "gotta take", do you call them better at getting you to that destination than someone who just tells you to cross the road and turn left?
     
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    tame but not exactly falling out of the realm of pseudo-intellectualism imho

    again. im not dissing Lupe, its a fantastic album, one of my personal favorites.
     
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    stupid analogy man its music not asking for directions. if im listening to something thats meant to be deep, it wouldnt be deep if i understood it all first listen
     
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    we arent talking about first listen. Kendrick's album takes multiple listens to understand everything too, but Lupe's is so complex to the point where it get's annoying and in the way of the music. some of these lyrics just sound like a bunch of random phrases put together until i look up its meaning on genius where all these nerds are writing essays about one couplet.

    its just not my taste. id rather understand what someone is saying on the first couple listens than sit around listening to it 15 times tryna figure out every single nuance.
     
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    do you know what an analogy is?
     
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    Can't remember what your initial opinion of it was, did you hate it at first?
     
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    yes and that wasnt a good one.

    TPAB is essentially about surface issues that anyone could understand and is nothing new in hip-hop. A lot of themes in t&y/DWTW the average person wouldnt know anything about (Aleister Crowley etc), so of course those albums are going to be harder to comprehend.
     
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  19. sheldon
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    really? name one lyrical concept on T&Y that hasnt been previously discussed in rap.

    also theres a point where someone becomes so complex you cant understand what they tryna say. DWTW literally has no lyrical cohesion. one song he talks abt respecting and worshiping woman, the next he's objectifying them.
     
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  20. sheldon
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    no actually you clearly dont understand what an analogy because you said

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    when the entire point of an analogy is to relate something to another.

    you clearly dont have the brain capacity to understand a Lupe or Soulo album yet you claim they're so lyrically gifted. you see rappers talking about abstract concepts with all these big metaphors and you see it as automatically good. yes lyricism =/= good, neither does complex =/= good.
     
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