Dec 30, 2014

I agree this is selling more because it's better, but it's also selling more because he's bigger and he's an important voice in hip hop right now.

And quality doesn't always outsell everytime. The heist (even though I like some joints) sold way more than born sinner and the new classic by iggy is the second best selling hip hop album. Higher sales don't necessarily equal higher quality.

 

Dec 30, 2014

loso did well for a digital only release.

 

Dec 30, 2014

He takes a huge L if this doesn't go platinum.

 

Dec 30, 2014

are you f---ing with me again?

 

Dec 30, 2014

How is this even a discussion, everyone is different (male or female). So for Cole to empower some women in his songs, its also not wrong to prove that some are money hungry hoes.

 

Dec 30, 2014

But it is important to not discourage the conversation from happening. If everyone is a hypocrite, then okay... but what does that solve?

I was simply questioning and criticizing

Also maybe because you are a male as most members of this site are and you don't share the same viewpoint as the other guys on a topic that benefits men so they may feel a little more upset. As with me, im a girl so it is expected that I will have a differing viewpoint. I know I get more upset when me and girls disagree than if I disagree with a guy because I see a girl as an ally I guess.

 

Dec 30, 2014

tired of livin by this double standard

 

Dec 30, 2014

but foreal i love how people always find s--- to criticize cole for

i dont see Drake taking criticism for this type s--- when hes prolly even worse than cole at it ...

calling out girls by name on top of it lol

 

Dec 30, 2014

how so ?

did u even listen to the songs ? ... he doesnt paint the woman one way or another in each song as u claim, he is painting them as complex beings (just like men) with different sides IN EACH PARTICULAR SONG ...

 

Dec 30, 2014

Verse 2 of 03' Adolescence = best verse of the year

 

Dec 30, 2014

Cole a man just like everyone else. Nigha ain't perfect. Boys be tryna find anything to discredit him.

 

Dec 30, 2014

Y'all putting Cole on top much of a pedestal now.

He says something's that are very true about women, but he's very contradicting and hypocritical like most males in America.

I thought y'all knew by now.

 

Dec 30, 2014

He's done that on plenty of other songs though. I feel like in order to have this conversation, you can't just isolate one particular song and analyze Cole's character based on that song alone. Songs like Too Deep For the Intro, Lights Please, Trouble, Never Told, Daddy's Little Girl, Crooked Smile, all the way down to No Role Modelz all offer varying views. There's many, many, many layers to this conversation and in my opinion Cole has done a great job of shining a spotlight on each one. No Role Modelz is just one chapter.

 

Dec 30, 2014

Cozz & Effect is Feefo's favorite project of the year, Forest Hills Drive second. I'll say it again, Bas & Omen lost. And oh yea, Cozz > OVO. Drizzy gotta step his CEO game up.

 

Dec 30, 2014

says the j cole fan

nah but for real leave bino alone, Because the Internet is GREAT

 

Dec 30, 2014

Off topic but Sam smith makes dope music

 

Dec 30, 2014

Dope post. I would be wrong to say that Cole wasn't trying to be somewhat deep. But again I believe you're asking for a completely different song when you're saying
"He doesn't say "hey women have layers too and are sometimes a good girl and sometimes a hoe." What i'm trying to say is that without him expressing that women, too, are multidimensional and hypocritical as well it misconstrues the message of the song and the message becomes one of any other misogynistic song"
You're asking for him to justify his hypocritical, misogynistic stance with more depth by humanizing these women, but what I'm saying is that I believe he intends the song to sound to sound like how we hear it. He's analytic, yes but its also ignorant in the same vein as IDFWU is. Like other rappers, he's in a sense as bad as the women he's criticizing in the sense that he's as shallow as they are. That's why its in the Hollywood section of the album. His anaylsis is very shallow in comparison to his verses on Hello when he's talking to to an ex or even his analysis on 03 Adolescence. Like I said to @Narsh I don't believe the song was meant to be as deep as y'all want it to be. I also understand how you could see that as making a song weaker, but I don't think we should expect every rapper to justify every viewpoint or give the whole story in every song because as misogynistic as this song seems its real. These are the type of discussions homies have all the time, and even though its wrong and they are generalizations, i think its very human. In the context of the album, I think it works nicely. As a song by itself, I think your criticism is somewhat warranted.

 

Dec 29, 2014

@Kold, you've heard Kendrick's old stuff? Heart pt. 2, Faith, Vanity Slaves, I hate You (that whole KLEP), Ignorance is Bliss, etc. I don't think Cole and Kendrick are all that different bruh

 

Dec 29, 2014

Cool, sure, but if he does NOTHING to represent the other side of the ball, to humanize those women (even the ones he considers "aren't worth s---" lol) then it's a weak attempt at being social commentary. It's too broad, it generalizes too much

 

Dec 29, 2014

http://sectioneighty.com/forum/threads/fhd-social-media-appreciation-praise-thread.28819/

Shout to all the people that made this thread possible on JCN.
The praise this album has been getting is ridiculous.
Will probably make an end-of-the year album list thread when some more lists come in.