Politics Line up for your W’s & L’s

Started by CavalierTD, Aug 22, 2018, in Life Add to Reading List

Did Trump collude with Russia?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2018.
  1. No. I don’t believe that s---.

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  2. Yes. I believe that s---.

    73.5%
  1. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Aug 23, 2018
    Yes, how dare the media report on the biggest federal investigation since watergate. Like, wut? Lol. A foreign country targeting the political opponents of a candidate through means of hacking & propoaganda is a pretty big deal. Have their been other efforts to influence U.S. elections? Absolutely but to suggest what the Russians did in 2016 was just “another day in the office” is disengenious & goes against everything intelligence officials have stated about their operation.

    I also never understood the whole, “Americans can’t be upset at election meddling because the U.S. does it too.” Did the Russians give the U.S. a taste of their own medicine? Yeah, you’re right. That doesn’t mean we should be okay with it though & sit on our hands lol.
     
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  2. lil uzi vert stan
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    Aug 23, 2018
    fittingly, @Charlie Work takes another huge L in this thread
     
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  3. JMG
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    Aug 23, 2018
    If he did then good.. anything to stop a murdererous pedofile like Hillary
     
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  4. Thili
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    Aug 23, 2018
    I think yes but like others said probably not directly but his campaign certainly seems to have in some way.

    :blunt:
     
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  5. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Aug 23, 2018
    Only because Obama didn't have the balls to lock up the architects of the War in Iraq. Now that would have been worth talking about. Not a bunch of Facebook groups created by little Vladimir with 30 members or ads that got 10 clicks. Collusion hasn't been proven. We have no reason to believe it has. At most you have the famous meeting which they're trying to prove Trump knew about, which again went nowhere and did nothing. Manafort is getting f----- for not registering as a lobbyist on Ukraine's behalf which half of DC could get charged with if anyone gave a f--- to do it. Cohen might have paid off a pornstar. Whew big deal.

    Sorry if I'm more concerned about things we know to be ongoing like us supporting a Yemeni genocide, loosening the rules of engagement, loosening environmental restrictions, dismantling the EPA, ICE serving as a new getapo, the Supreme Court veering rightward, federal judgeships across the country veering rightward, suppression of minority voters via redistricting and closing polling locations, etc etc etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

    These were big deals. Your unverified suspicions aren't. I'm not saying stop the investigation, but we can let it run its course without masturbating to it constantly.

    Lol, this is #Resistance s--- pretending that intelligence agencies don't have an agenda in propagating this bs.





    Okay officer Enigma, continue your investigation and report back. Every Facebook mom in America is relying on you to keep this already addressed issue on the public conscious. *military salute*
     
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  6. Swizz
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    Aug 23, 2018
    Before the year ends, Roger Stone will be indicted for direct talks with Wikileaks about hacked Podesta emails and the “no collusion” talking point will be dead for good. It should have died when news of the Trump Tower meeting broke.
     
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  7. Lucy
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    Lucy #1

    Aug 23, 2018
    Wow! @Charlie Work absolutely tore Enigma a new one ITT.

    utterly embarrassing Enigma.
     
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  8. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Aug 23, 2018
    My #1 hype man
     
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  9. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Aug 23, 2018
    That first sentence would be a nice whataboutism if presidents could actually lock people up("lock her up!"). If you don't care about this then fine but you're short-cutting the issue (10 clicks? srsly?) and being extremely intellectually dishonest but i'm sure you know that. Russia's social media campaign is just one example of how they meddled in the election. They casted a full blown disinformation campaign and in an election where "fake news" likely played a substantial role in the outcome, you can't brush that off. That's unless this stuff bores you which I can tell already it does but that doesn't make it a nonissue. Sorry, not every s-----y president can be casted as a war criminal *shrug* life isn't always that exciting Charlie.

    The definition of collusion is "secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others." The Trump Tower meeting alone confirms they colluded. The legal matter that is being looked into here is "conspiracy." That is what's unclear to this point but like Swizz said Roger Stone and even Don Jr. very well could be charged with "conspiracy" in the future.

    cause and effect my dude... Perhaps we should insure the president that's causing a lot of these issues didn't commit any crimes to win the election. He's already been implicated in one but I guess to you that's "whew big deal."

    You're literally "all lives matter-ing" one of the biggest national security breaches in U.S. history lol. If this is boring to you, I can't imagine what discussing healthcare reform must be like with you. "Who cares about healthcare, WE NEED WORLD PEACE!!"

    What about the intelligence community's assessment regarding the 2016 election do you feel is "bs" Charlie? Like, if we're going to go down the rabbit hole of not being able to establish a baseline of facts because everyone and everything has a separate agenda, I rather just end this here.
     
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  10. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Aug 23, 2018
    Whataboutism is such a lib deflection of criticism.

    [​IMG]

    what is the justice department

    Nice source

    The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news probably played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton's support on Election Day. The study, which has not been peer-reviewed

    Cool man, link me some Gateway Pundit next

    Going to some "Webster's dictionary defines" s--- like this is your sophomore term paper :lmaooo:

    Yeah, that meeting resulted in jack s---. Who cares


    Again, I never said stop the investigation. I'm just saying it warrants about of the tenth of the coverage it's receiving. It's a Dan Brown novel for dipshits.

    What security breach are you even referring to? You're talking about a bunch of dipshit clowns from a Coen brothers movie getting charged with buying too many expensive rugs and paying off pornstars like it's on some Robert Hanssen s---. The story is all smoke and no fire so far.

    Roger Stone orchestrating the Podesta hack would at least be something, but that too is all speculation at this point. Swizz is Pizzagating.

    Yes, my politics are based on what's exciting. That's why I'm the one obsessed with Russian espionage like it's 1982 :currydead:


    Lying? I hope they aren't lying about these ads and groups on Facebook and these Twitter bots. That's some weak a--- s--- to lie about :bookah:

    If only we had some historical examples of US intelligence agencies exaggerating our country's vulnerability to a foreign threat.. I can't think of any. :future:
     
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  11. Lucy
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    Lucy #1

    Aug 23, 2018
    holy f--- @Enigma just got his entire posting career destroyed. I mean, while reading his post I realized it was filled with metaphors and analogies all relating to the political discussion here exclusively. imagine saying something as cringe as "like swizz said..." hahahahaha can't even make a point himself and it's clear as day.

    ultimately i'm just glad someone pointed out his non peer-reviewed sources as bs. i tell him everytime and he just responds with the most incel "What's've thee issue with my links in particular? which atom and micron are not correct about it?"
     
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  12. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Aug 24, 2018
    No, your whataboutism is the deflection lol. Obama had literally nothing to do with my original response to you. It has nothing to even do what's being discussed here.

    Not the president. You can read up on this in any middle school civics textbook. It's called separation of powers.

    Good job, you can read! Hence why I said, "likely played a substantial role." Just because it hasn't been peer-reviewed doesn't mean you throw the study out. Especially when "fake news" stories were generating more engagements on social media platforms like facebook, in the final months of the election than actual news stories. We have a president who tweets out conspiracy theories on a daily basis ffs... Is it really that hard for you to fathom that this had at least some what of an impact?
    Yes, in debates, the definition of words matter Charlie! Shocking stuff, I know! Like I said, if you don't care about a presidential campaign working with a foreign government to win an election, so be it. That still doesn't make it a nonissue.

    Yes, we get it charls. None of this intrigues you. Aye, why not just make it easier next time & allow foreign countries to make campaign contributions, am I right?

    I was waiting for this lmao. "but-but-but- WMDs!?!?!?" Have you read on the CIA report that the Bush administration used to justify invading Iraq? It casted doubt and there was tons of internal conflict within the CIA about the report. The Bush admin nitpicked the report and used aspects to justify it's invasion. There is no confliction or doubt on Russian interference. Intelligence heads from two administrations and both parties have come to a consensus on this.

    A foreign country literally hacked into the network of one of two major parties, stole tons of emails, documents and data & then released bits of that private information at strategic points throughout the election. These resulted in some of the largest news stories of the election. Not only that but they hacked into voting systems & are now even targeting electric grids. Any reasonable American would see this as a major concern.

    Roger Stone literally tweeted about Podestas emails before WikiLeaks leaked them. He was in constant contact with WikiLeaks throughout the election. Recently, one of Roger Stone's aids was held in contempt for refusing to testify in court for the special counsel. No one is "pizzagating."
     
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  13. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Aug 24, 2018
    The department is headed by the United States Attorney General, who is nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate and is a member of the Cabinet. The current Attorney General is Jeff Sessions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice

    Nice one.

    Actually, yeah, a study without peer review might as well be a blog post. Hence why I can disregard it freely.

    So now you're pointing to Facebook posts without establishing their Russian origins at all.

    And finally you're doing a WHATABOUTSIM OMG in pointing to Pres Full Diaper's tweets

    Dork

    Talking about campaign finance reform is more interesting than any of this

    You're right we should invade Russia.

    But seriously, idk what we're even talking about here anymore. Tim Weiner has too thick a--- books, one on the FBI and one on the CIA, sourced from their own internal files about their incompetence and various misadventures. If you're objective is to defend these institutions, idk what else to do than rec those. Like, I just showed you that article from Glenn Greenwald about CIA interrogators being the ones to carry out torture.... but I guess since they felt conflicted about the existence of WMDs internally before participating in the aftermath they're the good guys? Your priorities are strange here.

    The head of the FBI did the same f---ing thing a week before the election lmao.

    There is no evidence that any of the registration rolls were altered in any fashion, according to U.S. officials.

    While the department cited “hundreds of victims” of the attacks, far more than they had previously acknowledged, there is no evidence that the hackers tried to take over the plants, as Russian actors did in Ukraine in 2015 and 2016.

    I'm so concerned that I think we should give trillions of dollars over two decades to an institution designed to secure our homeland. We can call it the department of Homeland Security. Oh, and how about a National Security Agency too. Trillions and trillions of dollars. I mean, I'm sure at that point we can rest easy. Right?

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    Aug 24, 2018
    Enigma's getting f---ing decimated :lmaooo:
     
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  15. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Aug 24, 2018
    Glad you figured out who nominates the attorney general. How much longer until you figure out he doesn’t take orders from the president?

    So you’re saying academic research from a university is the equivalent to a blog post by Ben Shapiro. No Charlie.... no lol.

    I’m pointing out the quantity of propoaganda that was spread during the election, propaganda that Russians helped spread. Nice to see you don’t know what a whatsboutism is either :'(

    Never suggested this but I’m sure it sounded clever in your head.

    About your seemingly irrational skepticism about the intelligence community’s report on 2016 Russian interference. You called it bs & when I asked you specifically what was bs about it, you didn’t answer & went on this rant about intelligence agencies being shady.

    Charlie the intellectual.

    DHS Secretary:

    Intelligence officials:

    Charlie: dude, who cares haha

    Hm.... who should I trust?

    And yeah, I’m a conspiracy theorist for suggesting the guy who’s having his aids subpoena’d & has already been referred to in an indictment, might be in some legal trouble. :S it’s not like several people haven’t already been convicted/plead guilty or anything.
     
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  16. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Aug 24, 2018
    I'm done nitpicking this.

    I will say I hope Trump stays in office no matter what comes to light because Mike Pence is without a doubt more competent and capable. I'll take bumbling infant pulling levers over Kochian dystopia any day of the week. And since the question of if a president can be indicted will be decided by the Supreme Court and impeachment proceedings require the senate.... I'd say the odds are in my favor. Have fun fantasizing about this tho.
     
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    give it up man u uave no point
     
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  18. lil uzi vert stan
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    Dude, you sound like such an a------.
     
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  19. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

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    I sincerely believe less harm comes with Trump in office than Pence. It's not spite.
     
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  20. lil uzi vert stan
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    Aug 24, 2018
    I don't disagree, but that's not really the point. Trump is uniquely toxic, a thug who very likely broke the law - if was not outright treasonous - in his bid for the presidency. It's wholly valid he's being investigated - and that investigation shouldn't, nor is it rly, coming at the expense of castigating him over his actions in office.

    Like, ffs, even if Mueller never literally finds a smoking gun (video of Putin peeing on Trump, forcing him to sign a blood oath, or whatever)... the point is there's clearly obstruction. We're seeing it in real time. idk, your whole point just seems moot, as always, but also disturbingly indifferent about what is rly happening. Be better.
     
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