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redsoxx "What's my favorite ring? The next one."-TB12
Jun 3, 2017
LFA always delivers. LHW needs new blood, get that kid to the UFC.

Also looks like Melvin got KTFO in Russia the other day, time for him to call it quits.
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Demetrious Johnson finally speaking out against Dana White's bs. Spoilered for length

For years I have been a company man and kept quiet, accepting fights, doing as they asked, and always remaining humble and grateful for the opportunities provided to me through mixed martial arts. This is how I was raised through the sport. Unfortunately, UFC's mistreatment and bullying has finally forced me to speak out. I've decided to speak out now as I feel like my values and character as a person and a fighter are being tarnished by an organization I've done nothing but sweat and bleed for over the last 7 years of my life. If it takes me speaking up and encouraging other fighters to ban together to start getting fair treatment, then so be it.

UFC Matchmaker Mick Maynard called and offered the fight vs Ray Borg. I thought Pettis was a more marketable name and on a longer winning streak. Mick went back to Dana, then came back and told us that I had no choice, it was going to be Ray Borg, not Pettis, and there were no other options. That was the command from Dana and company. This would mean that my only chance at ppv points at Flyweight was vs Ray Borg. I said OK, but it's not fair to make that my only chance at ppv points, when Cody Garbrandt is saying he wants to come down and fight me at Flyweight, which was the fight I wanted. We told Mick that to be fair we would take the fight, but want ppv points for future fights at flyweight. Mick agreed and said it was fair and didn't see any problem with that situation. Mick spoke to Dana and Sean Shelby who then told him to deny giving me any future ppv points for all of my future flyweight fights Further, I still had to fight Ray Borg and they were giving me no other choice. I accepted the fight with Ray and decided to deal with the unfair situation and despicable treatment by Dana and Sean after I succeed in breaking the consecutive title fight defense record in my next fight vs Borg. Mick thanked me for accepting the fight, knowing that I was being screwed over and mistreated by Dana and Sean.

I wanted a reason for not being allowed any future ppv points Sean Shelby called and told us how smaller fighters don't sell, that UFC can't make stars of anyone, and that a fight between Cody and I wouldn't be a sellable fight. We disagreed. I think a fight between Cody and I would be popular if it was even given a small serving of the marketing efforts put into other big fights.

UFC has failed to market and promote me appropriately. Prior to my last fight where I tied the record for the most consecutive successful title defenses, we waited to repost UFC's social media posts about me from their Facebook page. There weren't any posts until a few days into fight week, then, there were a total of 2 posts. In comparison to others who they promote across their social media platforms, they failed to do their job in promoting me and that monumental event. In my recent conversations, Sean and Dana have confirmed UFC's lack of desire to put any effort into promoting us.

In addition to the above, I want to address the lack of marketing and promotion of the Flyweight division, even though Dana will claim otherwise. I would challenge that the UFC doesn't even market the division. It's been 3 years since the UFC launched 3 new divisions in 2 years (2012 to 2014) where they focused most of their marketing efforts to grow female mixed martial arts, which I understand. But, we are now 3 years post launch, and the company continues to do the bare minimum in marketing the division well past the launch of these other divisions. As a fighter, I pay very close attention to the amount of marketing that goes into and around my fights and I can tell you that you'd be hard pressed to find much that has been done to promote me outside of TUF 24, which was minimal in comparison to other fights, fighters and shows. With me, the UFC chooses not to market the best fighter in the world and arguably the greatest fighter of all time. I can't think of any other sports organization in the world that has the best player in the sport where the league, or the organization, doesn't market that player to their loyal fan base to sell more of their product. Look at my track record for showing up to fights. Look at my track record of finishing fights. Look at my track record of getting fight night bonuses. Ask yourself if you think that if the UFC decided to truly put marketing dollars behind me that they couldn't sell me or my fights.

Completely unrelated and after the accepted fight vs Ray Borg, Cody Garbradt injured his back and TJ Dillashaw said he wanted to fight me. Dana told me he wanted me to fight TJ, which I disagreed with for multiple reasons. First, TJ has never fought at Flyweight and is unlikely to make the weight, which would then eliminate the possibility of breaking the title defense record. Second, they have already told me that a fight between Cody and I wouldn't be sellable, so fighting TJ would have no monetary upside . Third, TJ is not a flyweight or a current champion in another weight class and was KO'ed by the flyweight whom I beat twice already. Last, Ray Borg and I already agreed to the fight, which UFC tyrannically demanded, while denying me any future ppv points.

After telling Dana my reason's, Dana angrily told me that I am fighting TJ, once again, with no other option or say so in my career, and against the plans we had previously laid out. He went on further to say that if I didn't take the fight against TJ, and drop Borg as the opponent, he would get rid of the entire Flyweight division. He said this is for TJ and I'm taking away TJ's opportunity. That fact that he feels that what I should do in my career is for TJ, tells where his priority lies. Sorry Dana, my career is about Demetrious Johnson and my goals of fighting the best current flyweights, breaking the record of title defenses, going after the bantamweight champion after I have broken the record, and making money for my family. My career is not about doing for Dana's buddy who is neither a bantamweight champion or flyweight contender. We ended by disagreeing and left it there. The next day, Dana went to the media and announced that I was fighting TJ Dillashaw, in an obvious attempt to bully me in the media and tarnish my reputation. I posted a short statement letting people know that I had not agreed to the TJ fight, but had already agreed to fight Ray Borg, as demanded by UFC.

Dana put up an interview stating that it was "insane" that I didn't want to fight TJ, that "he makes the matches and that is the match he is making", and "you tell me why DJ doesn't want to fight TJ", trying to make it as though I am scared or ducking TJ Dillashaw.

Mick spoke to me to try to change the offer from Ray to TJ. I told Mick that I thought TJ should fight once in the division first, prove he can make the weight and get a win at that weight, then fight me if I wasn't already busy with Cody. Mick agreed that it made the most sense.

Later, Mick called again as mandated by Dana, to try to make the fight with TJ and drop Ray. We told him that we didn't think TJ would make the weight and the fight would be off since it would no longer be a title fight without TJ making weight. Mick said they guaranteed that TJ would make weight. We told him that since it was guaranteed by TJ and UFC was demanding and putting me in a bad circumstance, then it is fair that if if TJ didn't make weight, the fight would be off and I would still get my guarantee + TJ's guaranteed pay. Mick said that Ray would be on the card and he could fill in if TJ didn't make weight. We said, oh, then which one do I train for? I thought TJ guaranteed he was making weight. Is it a world championship with the #1 pound for pound fighter on earth, or an amateur tournament where I don't know who I'm fighting until I get there. Obviously there was no guarantee and they just wanted to push me to do something that they knew wasn't a good choice for my career. The "guarantees" that they made had nothing to back them up and they were unwilling to give a real guarantee to compensate me for all the damage I put on my body preparing for a fight that may not happen. The fact that they said Ray will be a backup shows the lack of respect they have for what we go through in preparing for a fight at this level.

Mick went back to Dana and Sean, then came back and told us that they don't agree with my request and I have to fight TJ with no guarantee to make weight or financial incentive if he doesn't make weight. This is typical of the unfulfilled promises and bullying that has gone on through my UFC career."
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Not surprising, this guy is gonna Hernandez himself 1000% anyways. Hes already tried to hang himself like 3 years ago. Not positive but I think Christy Mack retired from p--- after this. Writing was on the wall with War Machine, dude had beaten up like 5 guys at some p--- convention years before this.
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Demetrious Johnson finally speaking out against Dana White's bullshyt. Spoilered for length

For years I have been a company man and kept quiet, accepting fights, doing as they asked, and always remaining humble and grateful for the opportunities provided to me through mixed martial arts. This is how I was raised through the sport. Unfortunately, UFC's mistreatment and bullying has finally forced me to speak out. I've decided to speak out now as I feel like my values and character as a person and a fighter are being tarnished by an organization I've done nothing but sweat and bleed for over the last 7 years of my life. If it takes me speaking up and encouraging other fighters to ban together to start getting fair treatment, then so be it.

UFC Matchmaker Mick Maynard called and offered the fight vs Ray Borg. I thought Pettis was a more marketable name and on a longer winning streak. Mick went back to Dana, then came back and told us that I had no choice, it was going to be Ray Borg, not Pettis, and there were no other options. That was the command from Dana and company. This would mean that my only chance at ppv points at Flyweight was vs Ray Borg. I said OK, but it's not fair to make that my only chance at ppv points, when Cody Garbrandt is saying he wants to come down and fight me at Flyweight, which was the fight I wanted. We told Mick that to be fair we would take the fight, but want ppv points for future fights at flyweight. Mick agreed and said it was fair and didn't see any problem with that situation. Mick spoke to Dana and Sean Shelby who then told him to deny giving me any future ppv points for all of my future flyweight fights Further, I still had to fight Ray Borg and they were giving me no other choice. I accepted the fight with Ray and decided to deal with the unfair situation and despicable treatment by Dana and Sean after I succeed in breaking the consecutive title fight defense record in my next fight vs Borg. Mick thanked me for accepting the fight, knowing that I was being screwed over and mistreated by Dana and Sean.

I wanted a reason for not being allowed any future ppv points Sean Shelby called and told us how smaller fighters don't sell, that UFC can't make stars of anyone, and that a fight between Cody and I wouldn't be a sellable fight. We disagreed. I think a fight between Cody and I would be popular if it was even given a small serving of the marketing efforts put into other big fights.

UFC has failed to market and promote me appropriately. Prior to my last fight where I tied the record for the most consecutive successful title defenses, we waited to repost UFC's social media posts about me from their Facebook page. There weren't any posts until a few days into fight week, then, there were a total of 2 posts. In comparison to others who they promote across their social media platforms, they failed to do their job in promoting me and that monumental event. In my recent conversations, Sean and Dana have confirmed UFC's lack of desire to put any effort into promoting us.

In addition to the above, I want to address the lack of marketing and promotion of the Flyweight division, even though Dana will claim otherwise. I would challenge that the UFC doesn't even market the division. It's been 3 years since the UFC launched 3 new divisions in 2 years (2012 to 2014) where they focused most of their marketing efforts to grow female mixed martial arts, which I understand. But, we are now 3 years post launch, and the company continues to do the bare minimum in marketing the division well past the launch of these other divisions. As a fighter, I pay very close attention to the amount of marketing that goes into and around my fights and I can tell you that you'd be hard pressed to find much that has been done to promote me outside of TUF 24, which was minimal in comparison to other fights, fighters and shows. With me, the UFC chooses not to market the best fighter in the world and arguably the greatest fighter of all time. I can't think of any other sports organization in the world that has the best player in the sport where the league, or the organization, doesn't market that player to their loyal fan base to sell more of their product. Look at my track record for showing up to fights. Look at my track record of finishing fights. Look at my track record of getting fight night bonuses. Ask yourself if you think that if the UFC decided to truly put marketing dollars behind me that they couldn't sell me or my fights.

Completely unrelated and after the accepted fight vs Ray Borg, Cody Garbradt injured his back and TJ Dillashaw said he wanted to fight me. Dana told me he wanted me to fight TJ, which I disagreed with for multiple reasons. First, TJ has never fought at Flyweight and is unlikely to make the weight, which would then eliminate the possibility of breaking the title defense record. Second, they have already told me that a fight between Cody and I wouldn't be sellable, so fighting TJ would have no monetary upside . Third, TJ is not a flyweight or a current champion in another weight class and was KO'ed by the flyweight whom I beat twice already. Last, Ray Borg and I already agreed to the fight, which UFC tyrannically demanded, while denying me any future ppv points.

After telling Dana my reason's, Dana angrily told me that I am fighting TJ, once again, with no other option or say so in my career, and against the plans we had previously laid out. He went on further to say that if I didn't take the fight against TJ, and drop Borg as the opponent, he would get rid of the entire Flyweight division. He said this is for TJ and I'm taking away TJ's opportunity. That fact that he feels that what I should do in my career is for TJ, tells where his priority lies. Sorry Dana, my career is about Demetrious Johnson and my goals of fighting the best current flyweights, breaking the record of title defenses, going after the bantamweight champion after I have broken the record, and making money for my family. My career is not about doing for Dana's buddy who is neither a bantamweight champion or flyweight contender. We ended by disagreeing and left it there. The next day, Dana went to the media and announced that I was fighting TJ Dillashaw, in an obvious attempt to bully me in the media and tarnish my reputation. I posted a short statement letting people know that I had not agreed to the TJ fight, but had already agreed to fight Ray Borg, as demanded by UFC.

Dana put up an interview stating that it was "insane" that I didn't want to fight TJ, that "he makes the matches and that is the match he is making", and "you tell me why DJ doesn't want to fight TJ", trying to make it as though I am scared or ducking TJ Dillashaw.

Mick spoke to me to try to change the offer from Ray to TJ. I told Mick that I thought TJ should fight once in the division first, prove he can make the weight and get a win at that weight, then fight me if I wasn't already busy with Cody. Mick agreed that it made the most sense.

Later, Mick called again as mandated by Dana, to try to make the fight with TJ and drop Ray. We told him that we didn't think TJ would make the weight and the fight would be off since it would no longer be a title fight without TJ making weight. Mick said they guaranteed that TJ would make weight. We told him that since it was guaranteed by TJ and UFC was demanding and putting me in a bad circumstance, then it is fair that if if TJ didn't make weight, the fight would be off and I would still get my guarantee + TJ's guaranteed pay. Mick said that Ray would be on the card and he could fill in if TJ didn't make weight. We said, oh, then which one do I train for? I thought TJ guaranteed he was making weight. Is it a world championship with the #1 pound for pound fighter on earth, or an amateur tournament where I don't know who I'm fighting until I get there. Obviously there was no guarantee and they just wanted to push me to do something that they knew wasn't a good choice for my career. The "guarantees" that they made had nothing to back them up and they were unwilling to give a real guarantee to compensate me for all the damage I put on my body preparing for a fight that may not happen. The fact that they said Ray will be a backup shows the lack of respect they have for what we go through in preparing for a fight at this level.

Mick went back to Dana and Sean, then came back and told us that they don't agree with my request and I have to fight TJ with no guarantee to make weight or financial incentive if he doesn't make weight. This is typical of the unfulfilled promises and bullying that has gone on through my UFC career."

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d--- man, that's brutal! I mean I agree the flyweight division doesn't sell fights or PPV....BUT....watching DJ fight is incredible. He's very very talented and it sucks that he doesn't get the recognition. He should fight Ray Borg F that UFC stiff arm s---.
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redsoxx "What's my favorite ring? The next one."-TB12
Jun 7, 2017
214 looking pretty legit. Sucks Korean Zombie got hurt, but looks like Jason Knight will now fight Lamas.
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redsoxx said

LFA always delivers. LHW needs new blood, get that kid to the UFC.

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That was quick, kid got the call as a late replacement and will fight Joachim Christensen on the UFC OKC card on June 25.

Also Henry Cejudo (#2 FLW) vs Wilson Reis (#4 FLW) added to UFC 216 in Edmonton on September 9th
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redsoxx "What's my favorite ring? The next one."-TB12
Jun 14, 2017
Dana White's Tuesday Night Contender Series fighters will make 5K to show and 5K to win. All 1 fight contracts with the winners not guaranteed spots in the UFC.

Starting July 11th, EVERY Tuesday will have a five-fight card live on Fight Pass. It'll be separate from the UFC, with fighters trying to make it into the UFC as well as older vets who want to have one last ride. It's the UFC's own B-league.

Fights announced so far

July 11th
FW: Kurt Holobaugh (17-4) vs Matt Bessette (22-7)
FW: Luis Raul Gomez (4-0) vs. Dan Ige (7-1)
HW: Greg Rebello (CES HW 22-7) vs. Zu Anyanwu (CFFC HW Champ 13-4)
FLW: Joby Sanchez (9-2) vs. Manny Vazquez (11-2)
TBA vs. TBA

July 18th
Sean O’Malley (7-0) vs. Alfred Khashakayan (8-3)
Sidney Outlaw (CFFC LW 8-3) vs. TBA
TBA vs. TBA
TBA vs. TBA
TBA vs. TBA

July 25th
Gabriel Checco (10-2) vs. Chase Waldon (11-2)
Boston Salmon (5-1) vs. Ricky Turcios (8-0)
Kyle Noblitt (HW 8-0) vs. TBA
TBA vs. TBA
TBA vs. TBA

Date TBA
Daniel Spohn (TUF Vet 15-5)vs. TBA
Michael Cora (Titan FC WW 4-1) vs. TBA
Daniel Jolly (5-2) vs. TBA

I'm looking forward to this, Fight Pass needed some more solid content.

Sean O'Malley is who I'm most interested in.
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Jun 19, 2017
Former UFC fighter Tim Hague died after suffering a brutal KO loss in a boxing match on Friday night.

Here is the video of the fight

Here was his one win in the UFC against Pat Barry.

Anyways RIP, lot of former/current UFC guys have passed away these past 5 years or so. Shane Del Rosario, Corey Hill, Ryan Jimmo, Kimbo, Josh Samman and now Hague.
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Jun 24, 2017
Johny Hendricks missed weight AGAIN only this time at Middleweight weighing in at 188. Jeez, for being a past champion it's pretty embarrassing he's missed weight 4 times.
http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/...eweight-at-ufc-fight-night-in-oklahoma-062417
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My buddy cornered Darrell Horcher last night. Dope to see him on TV and for him to get a W.

Also he's teammates with Felice Herrig and her opponent s--- on the canvas during the fight lmao. He said Felice had s--- all over her and the octagon smelled sooo bad afterwards.

Then in the next fight, Big Rig d--- near got knocked out right in the s--- stain
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Jun 26, 2017
Pretty much what i expected. They weren't gonna do a PPV's on August 19th & September 9th w/ Mayweather/McGregor on August 26th. Can't expect people to dish out like $300 bucks in a 3 week span.
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That August PPV date was supposed to be in Seattle, glad it got cancelled cuz I'll be outta town and couldn't go anyways..but hope they re-schedule it since I'd mostly be all over a UFC show(especially a PPV) in Seattle, only bout a 3 hour drive.
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Megan Anderson injured, Tonya Evinger in against Cyborg

Cowboy injured, fight with Lawler is probably being moved to 214
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Jun 28, 2017
I don't think I can ever remember Cowboy pulling out of a fight. Honestly wish they would give him an unranked guy or two to run through instead of a guy coming off a loss in a title fight.
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Jun 28, 2017
UFC loves to put out some good news when the injury bug hits. Although Cyborg/Evinger might be just as good as Cyborg/Anderson. I think Woodley wanted on this card because there are no other big PPV cards and he wants the points. I don't love JDS being fed to Ngannou, but at least it was pushed back a little bit instead of being 3 months after the Stipe KO loss. Would have rather Hunt fought Ngannou. Also not sure why Grasso is getting a higher ranked opponent.
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I hate the JDS/Ngannou fight due to the fact that JDS just got the s--- beat out of him
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Jun 30, 2017
PFL's first event since purchasing WSOF is starting now.
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Jul 2, 2017

Matt Bessette (22-7) vs Kurt Holobaugh (17-4)
Greg Rebello (22-7) vs Azunna Anyanwu (13-4)
Boston Salmon (5-1) vs Ricky Turcios (8-0)
Justin Jones (9-2) vs Charles Byrd (7-4)
Manny Vasquez (9-2) vs Joby Sanchez (11-2)

Loved this idea since it was announced. 3 UFC vets in Holobaugh, Jones and Sanchez. Vasquez was on Dana White Lookin For a Fight where he beat Ricardo Ramos (who is in the UFC now) at 135 LBS. Hes making his FLW debut in this one.

I guess there is a regular commentary team for the show but also a secondary audio option called "Snoopcast" with Snoop Dogg and Faber who will provide commentary. So fucken random lol.
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