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Don’t even know why I watch this dumbass top 100 s---. Fletcher Cox is easily a top 5 player in the league smh
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Boos said

Don’t even know why I watch this dumbass top 100 s---. Fletcher Cox is easily a top 5 player in the league smh
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PFF had Cox in their top 5 100 players of 2018 list though.
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PFF had Cox in their top 5 100 players of 2018 list though.

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Real ones. Tbh the players top 100 is just a popularity contest
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I watch the top 100 on nfl network as well. For the most part, I think they do a good job. But IMO a list like that is difficult to compile because of all the different positions.
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Dallas are r-----ed, if they don’t sign Zeke to a reasonable deal. Look at Dak’s stats when Zeke played well. When Zeke ran good, Daks stats were up. When Zeke didn’t get many yards, Dak severely struggled. The only reason I’d pay Zeke first is because he’s a special talent RB. Something cowboys probably won’t have for another 20 years or so. Dak may be above average, but he’s not elite like Zeke. He’s not a qb who can throw every down without a good rb. You could go grab another Qb similar to Dak within the next year or 2. I think dak should understand that and be like Brady and take one for the team. Don’t take as much money as you can so you can still sign Zeke. They may be better than the eagles if they can keep Dak and Zeke together winning the division the next few years.
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Baker f---ing Mayfield was voted the 50th best player? In what f---ing world? The nfl seriously does have a concussion problem because these players are f---ing brain dead.
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Boos said

Baker f--king Mayfield was voted the 50th best player? In what f--king world? The nfl seriously does have a concussion problem because these players are f--king brain dead.
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the year before Baker arrived, the Browns won 0 games. Baker lead them to 7 wins as a rookie. Baker doesn’t deserve all the credit but he deserves a great deal
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Dallas are r-----ed, if they don’t sign Zeke to a reasonable deal. Look at Dak’s stats when Zeke played well. When Zeke ran good, Daks stats were up. When Zeke didn’t get many yards, Dak severely struggled. The only reason I’d pay Zeke first is because he’s a special talent RB. Something cowboys probably won’t have for another 20 years or so. Dak may be above average, but he’s not elite like Zeke. He’s not a qb who can throw every down without a good rb. You could go grab another Qb similar to Dak within the next year or 2. I think dak should understand that and be like Brady and take one for the team. Don’t take as much money as you can so you can still sign Zeke. They may be better than the eagles if they can keep Dak and Zeke together winning the division the next few years.
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Zeke is more replaceable than Dak is. Cowboys let Demarco Murray walk & Darren McFadden came in & rushed for 1000+ yards in less than 16 games the following season. At the end of the day, I don’t want to resign either of them at the price tags they want though.
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the year before Baker arrived, the Browns won 0 games. Baker lead them to 7 wins as a rookie. Baker doesn’t deserve all the credit but he deserves a great deal
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All that can be true, but he’s not the 50th best player in the league that’s ridiculous. He’s done absolutely nothing to warrant that ranking
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Boos said

All that can be true, but he’s not the 50th best player in the league that’s ridiculous. He’s done absolutely nothing to warrant that ranking
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He was on the back end of the top 10 QBs last year which is extremely impressive in itself. I wouldn’t say he was a top 50 nfl player either though lol.

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He was on the back end of the top 10 QBs last year which is extremely impressive in itself. I would say he was a top 50 nfl player either though lol.
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I’m very high on Mayfield and I love his attitude. It’s refreshing to see in a QB, but d--- let’s see him do it twice before calling him a top 50 player across all positions lmao
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PFF ranked the top 10 QBs entering the 2019 season (*not only based on last season*):

Quarterbacks run today’s pass-happy NFL. The teams with the best signal-callers in the game generally have better odds to go the distance, and the unfortunate clubs on the outside looking in at this top-10 list need quite a lot of help around their quarterback to succeed.

Here is PFF’s list of the top-10 quarterbacks heading into the 2019 NFL season.

10. Baker Mayfield, Cleveland Browns
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 8
From PFF’s Mike Renner on Mayfield and his current MVP odds:

“In PFF’s 13 seasons of NFL grading, only Russell Wilson put up a higher grade from the quarterback position as a rookie than Mayfield, and now, the Browns quarterback has a new number one receiver to work with. Odell Beckham Jr.was putting up video game numbers with a far less accurate quarterback throwing him the ball his whole career. Now he goes to a quarterback in Mayfield who had the third most big-time throws in the NFL last season.”

Mayfield managed a big-time throw rate of 7.3% that ranked third among his peers a season ago, and he finished the year with an overall grade of 84.5 – the second-best mark ever recorded by a rookie quarterback. The future is indeed bright in Cleveland.

9. Philip Rivers, Los Angeles Chargers
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 7
Rivers very quietly earned one of the best single-season overall grades of his career last year, ranking seventh among qualifiers at 88.9. Despite working behind a struggling offensive line, Rivers was very accurate throwing to open targetsand had some of the best ball placementin the NFL throwing underneath routes to a healthy Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.

From PFF’s Connor Price on Rivers’ 2018 passing ability from a clean pocket and under pressure:

“Rivers did an excellent job of hiding the Chargers’ offensive line flaws a season ago. Of his 674 dropbacks in 2018, 316 were stifled as a result of the Chargers’ 31st-ranked pass-block unit (61.9), but he still managed to earn a 70.3 grade and a 67.5% adjusted completion percentage on these plays.

Perhaps even more impressive was his performance from a clean pocket. Rivers tied for fourth with an 8.3 yard per attempt mark as a result of 42% of his throws venturing further than the sticks when working from a clean pocket.”

Even at 37 years old, Rivers still projects to do much of the same even if the Bolts’ offensive line doesn’t take a step forward in 2019. He is one seven quarterbacks PFF currently projects to go over 4,200 passing yards in 2019.

8. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 16
Like Ryan, Roethlisberger still turned in an above average season; it just wasn’t the standard we’ve come to expect from him. He earned the lowest overall grade (78.2) and passing grade (75.2) we’ve seen from him since his 2011 campaign.

From PFF’s 2019 QB Annual:

“Roethlisberger got off to a sloppy start, where he was forcing throws left and right into coverage, and his timing and accuracy were all over the place – especially down the field. He cleaned up his game in the middle part of the season with a mix of a quick passing attack and better accuracy on throws of 20-plus yards. Inconsistency throughout a game was the common theme for this year, as they are for many years when he doesn’t play up to a top-10 standard – with poor decisions under duress late in the play, sloppy ball location at times and then bouncing back to make a big play when it was needed.”

7. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: T-10
After earning 92.2 and 88.3 overall grades in 2016 and 2017, respectively, Ryan watched his overall grade drop to 84.3 in 2018. It’s still impressive compared to the rest of the league, but it wasn’t the standard we’ve come to expect from Matty Ice.

From PFF’s 2019 QB Annual:

“Ryan’s season was a dip down from what we’ve seen over the last couple years, as much like stretches of last year, the offense didn’t quite mesh in some games. Most of Ryan’s poor games came on the road this season, as the ball didn’t quite have the same pop and accuracy as he saw in his friendly confines of the dome, leading to some questions about his arm that weren’t apparent in previous seasons. After having some bad interception lock a season ago, the pendulum swung back in his favor this year, where he was not penalized as often on poor throws and decisions.”

6. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 6
Wilson has ranked inside the top-10 in overall grade among qualifying quarterbacks in six of his seven years in the NFL, and he only dropped to 14th in the only season he ranked outside the top-10 (2014). His passing grade and passer rating from a clean pocket – two very stable metrics year over year – have both ranked inside the top-10 in each of the past two seasons, and he’s ranked inside the top-10 in at least one of the two metrics in every season but his 2016 campaign.

PFF’s NFL Editor Mark Chichester said it best in his article on the superstar quarterback prior to his new contract getting signed:

“Wilson is not inconsistent. He is not easily replaced with a second-string quarterback. He’s shown no signs of being past his prime, and he’s certainly not worth trading away for merely a couple of first-round draft picks. Wilson is — and has been for some time — one of the league’s best at the position; he should be Seattle’s number one priority.”

5. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 3
In Weeks 7-17 of last year, Luck earned the fourth-best overall grade of any offensive player in football at 91.4. He proved his ailing shoulder issues were no longer a concern and was rightfully named the AP and PFF Comeback Player of the Year as a result.

From PFF’s Ben Linsey on Luck and his PFF Comeback Player of the Year honors:

“He finished the season ranked third among all quarterbacks in PFF grade at 91.1 behind only Patrick Mahomes and Drew Brees. If it weren’t for the brilliance of those two, his name would be soundly in the MVP conversation. After that 1-5 start, the Colts only lost one more game the rest of the season, and it was due largely to Luck showing that the shoulder issues that plagued him for over a year were in the rear-view mirror and he was still in the elite tier of quarterbacks.”

For the first time in his career, Luck was at the helm of an offense designed to make him better rather than have him lean on the surrounding talent, and it resulted in him receiving a career-high overall grade (91.2) in 2018. The sky’s the limit for Luck heading into Year 2 under Frank Reich.

4. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 5
Rodgers, though hampered by injury throughout the season, still finished the year with an impressive 89.7 overall grade that ranked fifth among qualifying signal-callers in 2018. He also ranked seventh in clean-pocket passing grade (90.7) and ninth in passer rating from a clean pocket (109.0).

Though his 5.86% big-time throw rate cracked the top-five among quarterbacks with 300 or more dropbacks last season, it was Rodgers’ ability to avoid turnover-worthy plays that truly propped his overall and passing grades up in 2018. He committed a turnover-worthy play on an NFL-low 1.04% of his dropbacks on the year.

3. Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 2
Mahomes’ 46 big-time throws were three more than anyone else in the NFL. He broke PFF’s single-season deep passing yardage record with 1,514 yards on passes of 20 or more yards downfield, and that’s with three dropped deep balls on the year. In fact, Mahomes had 35 dropped passes from his receivers this season, the third-most of any quarterback in the NFL.

Named PFF’s 2018 MVP, Mahomes is no flash in the pan. PFF’s Mike Renner sees the Kansas City signal-caller continuing to dominate the NFL far beyond the 2019 season.

“The superlatives for the second-year quarterback go on and on. In only his second year in the NFL, he’s already the league’s most valuable player. While the season didn’t end the way he or Chiefs fans had hoped, the rest of the NFL should be scared for seasons to come.”

2. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 1
On his 489 regular season attempts, Brees’ ball placement was deemed ‘perfect’ 20.0% of the time and ‘accurate’ 71.5% of the time, which ranked sixth and first among the league’s quarterbacks this year, respectively. Among the 44 quarterbacks with at least 100 dropbacks throughout the regular season, Brees’ positively-graded throw rate of 27.6% ranked fourth, while his absurdly low negatively-graded throw rate of 7.0% was far and away the best mark in the league.

Brees took home PFF’s 2018 top passer award following what was a record-setting season for the veteran signal-caller this past season.

From PFF’s Mark Chichester:

“When you add it all up, Brees was the clear top passing quarterback in the league, and it showed in his PFF passing grade, the only one above 93.0 in the NFL this season. In his 18th year, Brees has continued to demonstrate that he can produce on any field he steps foot on, and he has continued to demonstrate the traits that arguably make him the most accurate quarterback of all time. After an incredible, record-breaking season, his performance throughout the season is more than deserving of the award.”

1. Tom Brady, New England Patriots
2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 4
Yes, he’s still the best in the business.

Even at 41 years old, Brady turned in an elite 90.6 overall grade in 2018, making it the fourth consecutive season he’s earned an overall grade of 90.0-plus. His passing grade on passes with a step of separation over the last three years leads all qualifying signal-callers, and his passing grade on tight-window throws ranks fourth on the list. Surprising no one, Brady also earned a starting role on PFF’s 2018 NFL Clutch Team for his efforts in one-score games this past season.

From PFF’s Ben Linsey in his 2018 NFL Clutch Team article:

“We kick off the list with a shocker. Tom Brady has been the standard at the quarterback position for the better part of his career, and in a year in which he took home his sixth Super Bowl title, Brady earns a first-team spot on the Clutch Team with his 90.5 grade when it mattered most. He picked up big chunks late in tight games — 1,073 passing yards on 107 attempts — and those 10.0 yards per attempt led all quarterbacks with 50 or more attempts in clutch time.”
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Brady at one and Mayfield at 10th in that ranking? Yikes!!! That’s the worst ranked list I’ve seen yet. I know on fantasy football pros, Brady isn’t even a top 10 Qb. Fantasy wise, his stats were average to bad last year. The majority of bigger gains, was passing it to their running back who sometimes managed to run 10-20 yards. And with him not having Gronk as the most reliable go to guy and in the end zone, his stats will continue to decline.

Luckily, I drafted Brees and James Connor later in the draft, which helped me win the fantasy league. And i knew Davante Adams was going to explode and took him in the 3rd round:
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Brady isn’t even a top 10 Qb.
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Lmaoooo
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Can’t wait for Wentz to win MVP and make all these people who make these lists look stupid
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Boos said

Can’t wait for Wentz to win MVP and make all these people who make these lists look stupid
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Should watch this.
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Lmaoooo
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What I said is a fact. Every fantasy football gurus sites says so. Fantasy football ranks players who produces numbers, tds, passing yards. Brady doesn’t get a a top 10 slot just because his team has been in the most s--- division over the past decade and never had a single team in their division in years at 500, to compete against. And they’re ranked with the easiest schedule this year off of average nfl rankings. Plus with Brady’s numbers drastically going downhill last year. And he could only score once against the Rams lmao The Steelers kicked Tom Brady’s throat in last year.
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