Pitchfork is the worst

Started by Motor City, Apr 1, 2015, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Apr 1, 2015
    you have always been the kind of person who thinks reviews should literally start with "the first track sounds like this..."

    cmon perry :'(
     
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  2. Fire Squad
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    Fire Squad Boss Don Biggavel

    Apr 1, 2015
    They do have great reviews across a lot of genres including hip-hop tbf but as I've learned I think it's good having some variety as far as reviews go. It's interesting now especially with the fast-paced nature of the internet and the over-saturation of music we get.
     
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    Kon

    Apr 1, 2015
    @Koolo please tell me there was more to WPG being de-modded than you just being upset about his opinion on TPAB.
     
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    CODEiNE DEMON One foot stuck in the tarpit of my ways

    Apr 1, 2015
    :kobe:

    But yeah, idk i don't happen to like many reviews in the first place, and I feel the negativity can be a misguided at times, but to each their own
     
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  5. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Apr 1, 2015
    i mean i understand this will be a complaint about any negative review. but major publications can be so reticent when it comes to major releases, and it's nice that there's an outlet trashing things its editorial staff thinks are bad, even if they don't always nail it. that's what i'm saying.
     
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    CODEiNE DEMON One foot stuck in the tarpit of my ways

    Apr 1, 2015
    Never thought about it that way

    Tbh I'm still salty about the hate on my n----- Bino tho :pierce:
     
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    Fire Squad Boss Don Biggavel

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    http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16113-blue-side-park/ I loved this one, accompanied by the reaction from fans was priceless
     
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  8. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Apr 1, 2015
    giving things scores under, like, 2.5 is usually a little sensational, to be sure. and camp was a bad album, but the review was unfair.
     
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    what .

    Apr 1, 2015
    That's a straw man argument. I think the album should be reviewed, not the artist. I don't think I'm alone in thinking an "album review" should be just that.

    And you're quite literally insane, if you think having different contributors excuses the site from having a point of view. FOX News has different contributors too.
     
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  10. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Apr 1, 2015
    sure. but my point is that i've seen you react angrily to reviews from a bunch of different sites (or just on rb/sl) that DO speak incisively about albums, just because they also write in some sort of wider context.

    what were you saying about straw men?
     
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    what .

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    Well, the first statement couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. For starters, I was never even a part of RB. Secondly, I didn't really oppose any other outlets besides Pitchfork on SL (considering we cant go back and check, you're gonna have to take my word for it).

    I've grown to LOVE more "journalistic" reviews, instead of just the track by track ones I used to read, but there is clearly a line between providing context (mentioning Kanye's hiatus in a MBDTF review), versus quite literally talking about the artist themselves for 90% of the review.

    And you HAVE defended pitchfork in the past from my criticism about it being agenda driven, by saying basically "they have multiple writers so it's not agenda driven". That's why my FOX News comparison is more then reasonable.

    And you didn't acknowledge the fact that they have a history of trying to rewrite history, by deleting their own reviews.

    I actually 100% agree however, that having the balls to run harshly negative reviews of popular albums is something to admire. I just wish those negative reviews discussed in further detail the album itself. I know you don't like him, but Anthony Fantano f---ing hated ShadyXV, and although I liked it much more, I enjoyed hearing his criticisms because there were...you know...actual criticisms stated.

    Plus, I'm also glad to see you admit that rating albums 0/10 and 2/10 is sensational.
     
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  12. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    if you can show me some of these i might agree with you, but i don't think any semi-respecatble outlet would run something that approaches 90%.

    fox news exists to push an ideology. music publications might have consistent taste, which is not the same thing. regardless, pitchfork is massive. any rap critic who's any good has done at least SOMETHING for them. the editorial staff definitely has their specific likes and dislikes, but the reviews themselves vary more than the scores might indicate. i wish i could show you the internal disagreements over records/artists as a whole. in the mid-2000s, sure, you could say "well, pitchfork loves the clipse." but ian cohen gave the first childish gambino album a 1, then craig gave the second one a 6 or something.

    i'm not aware of what you're talking about here.
     
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    For a list of deleted reviews just check their wikipedia page. They basically list them all and provide links to them in the endnotes.
     
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  14. Michael Myers
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    Apr 1, 2015
    I've seen some of their reviews and I don't think they are badly written. @WPG I get what you're saying about the ratings but don't you also think a 4/10 for mmlp for example is just stupid? Also like Koolo said, ratings should reflect the review. You can't say something like 'well the song/album is decent, 4/10'
     
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    CODEiNE DEMON One foot stuck in the tarpit of my ways

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    Decent means average. Average woyld be 5/10. If the author finds enough flaws in somwthing decent then a 4/10 is reasonable
     
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  16. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Apr 1, 2015
    i am by no means saying that pitchfork is always write or always has great writing, just that by and large they are valuable, and on balance well written

    EDIT: @Koolo @Michael Myers i don't believe pitchfork ever reviewed mmlp. not sure where 4.8 comes from
     
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    Apr 1, 2015
    WPG and swizz been demodded for almost 3 months now brah...2 months before tpab
     
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    It was mentioned in the OP but I saw they gave MMLP2 a 4,7 so I guess that's what he means. And yeah even though I would rate it a little higher I think that's fair
     
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    http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2771-the-eminem-show/

    is that real review or pitchfork allow guests reviews?

    anyway i think 2.8 for recovery is the reason i have no respect for pitchfork...since its obviously a click bait and to draw attention..thats a whor- move...and they did generate a lot of talk back then because of it

    i have no respect for such things
     
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    SaviorOfS80 The Second Cumming

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    Pitchfork is f-----, but I heard about this site called sectioneighty it's pretty kewl
     
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