Politics The Official 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary Thread

Started by ImmortalTechnique, May 22, 2015, in Life Add to Reading List

  1. ImmortalTechnique
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    ^WOAT troll

    either way,

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  2. ImmortalTechnique
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    Gallup has polled "dealbreakers" for many, many years now. Basically, if someone was otherwise qualified would you vote for them if they were ________.

    Atheist has always been the lowest rank, even lower than Muslims directly after 9/11, etc.
    For the first time there is a new loser- Socialist.

    50% of the country would never vote for one. One of many reasons I don't think Bernie is the right choice
     
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    Kind of hard to take Bernie seriously when he's excited about raising just 8.3 million
     
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    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/30/trumpbushclinton.pdf

    Hillary crushing Bernie (but then again, so is Biden who seems less likely to run than not) and running a train on the GOP field.
     
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  5. ImmortalTechnique
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    holy s---... and Hillary just announced that she raised over 45 million first quarter, 91% of donations are low dollar
     
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    Some rumors circulating of Hilary nodding Warren as her VP but honestly.... She's more useful in the Senate.
     
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    I don't see it happening. If Warren didn't want to run for the top spot, why go through being vp?
     
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    Bernie f---ing lost. Campaign is basically 100% stalled in terms of building actual support as opposed to packing adoring fans in to preach to the choir, and he shot himself in the foot over the weekend with black voters. Wish the more progressive alternative to Clinton was a legit candidate running a real campaign.
    Anyways, Clinton up 49 points
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/...estion_15805.xml?uuid=UauQ6C8jEeWBj6JC8o5wIg#
     
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    not to mention, sanders is the top democrat on the senate budget committee, where he has the responsibility to concoct a spending deal with republicans. itd be an ideal effort to put forth his vision in a real tangible way and, ya know, actually get something done. obviously his status as a "socialist" and his lofty campaigning will prevent him from accomplishing anything. missed opportunity, hurts the country = loser, gtfo
     
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    Michele Bachmann is an idiot, and everything she says here is fundamentally dishonest and often downright stupid.
    That said, she absolutely dominates Bernie in this debate.
    After his failure to deal with the BLM protesters at Netroots Nation, he's once again brought to light the fact that he's super uncomfortable and ineffective at dealing with criticism or being questioned.

    His supporters who think the debates against Hillary are likely to help him are probably in for a big surprise. He's not very popular with Democrats now, Hillary is, and when he starts trying to talk over her and is dismissive of what she says, he's going to start losing worse than he already is.

    I love Bernie, I love everything he stands for, but I think he'd make a s-----y candidate and a pretty bad President, too
     
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    Yeah, his debate with Bachmann was ugly though to be fair, the crowd in that 2nd video was being disrespectful as f--- & not letting him answer. I agree that he'd be a s-----y candidate & I honestly would be kind of scared if Bernie won the democratic nomination but what makes you think he'd be a s-----y president? Just wondering.
     
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    he's totally uncompromising in his views. that's an admirable quality since his views are so great, but I don't think he'd be able to advance any agenda of things he wants to do whatsoever. getting 60 votes in the Senate even if Dems win a majority next year, working with a Republican House until at least after the 2020 elections more than likely.

    Beyond that, the Executive Branch is a huge bureaucracy. So far, Bernie's campaign is haphazard and disorganized. I don't have any confidence in Bernie's skills as a manager or at delegating responsibility
     
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    Woah
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/0...html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0&referrer=

    Guess it is good to have a legitimate backup if Hillary falls apart. Or someone to attack Bernie
     
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  14. Chris_sirhC517
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    Curious where you seen this?

    http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do
    According to this, ^ only 19% are $200 and under.

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    Versus Bernie who had 73% being $200 or under.
     
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    91% of donations were under 100. She obviously raised a great deal of money from large donors, too.

    If 9 people give me 1 dollar and 1 person gives me 100 dollars, 90% of my donations were $1 but 91% of my money came from donors over 1$.
    Both are useful metrics- Hillary obviously inspired a huge number of people to give what they can afford. She also attracted the money from some people who could afford a lot more.

    Bernie didn't raise as much money (by a long shot) but most of it came from small dollar donors. The way the math works out they probably have similar numbers of small dollar donors. Hillary just also has more people willing and able to give more. I don't know if it is much of a virtue for Sanders in this case since his grassroots donors don't really eclipse Hillary's, he just gets crushed among more wealthy liberals. Facing down over a billion in campaign spending for the general election (not to mention the need to get past Hillary first) shows that Sanders fundraising is not very good if he's serious about winning either election.
     
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    Oh, I gotcha. I was thinking that she meant percentage based upon the dollars donated, not the quantity of donations.

    Bernie raised almost 2 million more dollars on small-donations than Hillary did though. But like you said, he doesn't have nearly as many of those big money donors. Its unfortunate but that is how campaign funding works now-days.
     
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    Bernie Sanders now within 6 points of Clinton in New Hampshire poll.
     
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    If he doesn't win New Hampshire he's a joke candidate. If he can pull it out there he has a shot at being remembered as a legit challenger
     
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    He's gaining in a few polls. Also drawing in larger crowds than Clinton. Why so dismissive of his legitimacy? His views are very extreme, I will admit, but this country needs drastic changes.
     
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    I am dismissive of his chances because Hillary crushes him with women and Latinos and he's in single digits with Black voters with Hillary getting near 80%
    You can win New Hampshire and Iowa like that, but you can't win a Democratic nomination.
    His dreams die in South Carolina unless something happens that drastically, like catastrophically, undermines Clinton with minorities and women who make up the base of the party
     
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