Dec 12, 2024 at 2:32 PM Em totally soulda put 'Castle' & 'Arose' on TDOSS. Everybody woulda respected it, G move, known why, and it's like salvaging them two great tracks from that disaster, and woulda added to TDOSS. Rather than re-making subpar SSM & Temporary. He put 'Brand New Dance' meant for Encore n justified it funnily, he coulda found a way, a skit or something, to make it work. Don't need 'Head Honcho', 'Bad One' (especially, saying a whole lotta nothing/Side B s---, and not even that well written), or 'Tobey', all filler/bonus material. 'Fuel' remix is fire, obviously especially Em's verse, and coulda worked probably somewhere, maybe right after 'Road Rage', lots of people do remixes of a song on the album now, normally feels a bit tacky and mix-tapey but I think the caliber of the remix here and what he's saying are enough to justify it; could call it 'part 2'. Also bc everything pre-GC2 until the end of GC2 is 'all a dream' or sequence of dream/nightmares he keeps waking up from @ end of BND and throughout, and then calls Paul 'this f----- up dream' etc. Fuel 2 coulda worked well, like a real dream you have a blur of repeats and slight alterations of the same ideas. Let's see how that looks... 1. Renaissance 2. Habits 3. Trouble 4. Brand New Dance 5. Evil 6. All You Got (skit) 7. Lucifer 8. Antichrist 9. Fuel 10. Road Rage 11. Fuel pt. II 12. Houdini 13. Breaking News (skit) 14. Guilty Conscience 2 15. Castle 16. Arose Re-write Arose a lil at the end, n the 'rewind' s--- to better fit TDOSS too... h--- yeah. 9/10 then.
Dec 12, 2024 at 2:40 PM still writing a reply to your response in tdoss thread but just wanted to say i wish i could buy your version on vinyl
Dec 12, 2024 at 3:11 PM Haha. Love. Fax though right? I mean, this here, everything after GC2: ...Is just a fkn mess. I can't believe this is the best way to order and end the album he came up with, every spending SO long on this. We know for a fact he was working on it from at least early 22, with the superbowl Em v Shady s--- and I think Luis Resto confirmed since 2021 actually. So, I'm amazed he had the discipline to keep the... rap style all consistent throughout, because the first 9 tracks especially sound so at home... and there's nothing jarringly out of place sonically like usual, so maybe he's REALLY learned how to keep albums consistent from a sonic perspective again, after MMLP2 & Revival debacles... But like, just conceptully, those songs, how filler they are, how random in placement they are. I can't believe after YEARS thinking on this concept, that's what he did. He's got a serious issue with f---ing up albums in little ways lmao. Like 'okay everything's going great!... 'nah, leme jus throw a curveball here, or end it terribly). Even 'Temporary' being randomly sandwhiched in between fkn 'Head Honcho' and 'Bad One', of all tracks, after ordering and structuring everything to that point so carefully too.
Dec 12, 2024 at 4:26 PM i feel like he added all the stuff after gc2 in response to pressure from the label or reddit or whomever he was listening to because it’s so drastically different from the tone and theme and frankly the quality of the rest of the album
Dec 12, 2024 at 4:48 PM Agreed. Should have used GC2 as the final song And then put somebody save me and tobey and head honcho on the delux or as bonus songs instead of like my s---
Dec 12, 2024 at 5:53 PM he recorded over 100 songs for mmlp2, that whole bonus disc is album quality, so to use side b leftovers for the tdoss bonus disc is kind of a strange decision
Dec 13, 2024 at 12:13 PM I think so too. He usually does. He says he put 'beautiful' on Relapse himself but if you listen to one of the paul pods, as I suspected and knew - Paul/the label actually pressured him to put it on there. As I suspected bc the rest was so weird and new, they probably thought 'we need some sort of a gauranteed hit here' and knew that'd probably be one... Because Em said he didn't wanna put it on bc it didn't fit the tone and style of the rest of the album... YES, thank you. This is what I've always been saying. People always defend it like 'but it's a great song', it's not about how good the song is, it's jsut bc it's SO jarringly different, it sounds stupid there. LIke it was made for another album, bc it was! I'm glad Em recognises that but doesn't have the balls to enforce it. He talks about pressure, from label... If I was him... I'd be like 'guys, I'm not putting this on. I've sold you like 200 million records, I'm one of the biggest artists on earth, I've given you countless hits and a huge catalogue - I can go sign any other label or on my own and I'd still be huge - I'm NOT putting this on here.' wtf they gonna say to that? He has no balls I swear. Yeah I think Tobey was an attempt at a lil street hit bc of Big Sean on it, and hoping to tap into a younger gen @ BabyTron or w.e his name is, 'Head Honcho' I do jus think was him tryna give Ez shine... which is fine, Somebody Save Me & Temporary... I mean, yeah obvious hit attempt @ Somebody Save Me, again fine, but, they're just so badly written vs. when he usually does that stuff. Probably bc he wasn't feeling em / they weren't sincere, as he'd already written them - fully and sincerely in Castle & Arose. Such a shame, every album is always like 'd---, NEARLY'. Never can just fully do it.
Dec 13, 2024 at 8:23 PM @Disorderly Progress >I think so too. He usually does. He says he put 'beautiful' on Relapse himself but if you listen to one of the paul pods, as I suspected and knew - Paul/the label actually pressured him to put it on there. As I suspected bc the rest was so weird and new, they probably thought 'we need some sort of a gauranteed hit here' and knew that'd probably be one... Because Em said he didn't wanna put it on bc it didn't fit the tone and style of the rest of the album... YES, thank you. This is what I've always been saying. People always defend it like 'but it's a great song', it's not about how good the song is, it's jsut bc it's SO jarringly different, it sounds stupid there. LIke it was made for another album, bc it was! beautiful is the only song he wrote at brighton and it probably reminded him of a lot of stuff he didn’t wanna think about. but as usual paul saw dollar signs and so here we are. but the song probably helped a lot of people in some really hard times just like stan and not afraid >I'm glad Em recognises that but doesn't have the balls to enforce it. He talks about pressure, from label... If I was him... I'd be like 'guys, I'm not putting this on. I've sold you like 200 million records, I'm one of the biggest artists on earth, I've given you countless hits and a huge catalogue - I can go sign any other label or on my own and I'd still be huge - I'm NOT putting this on here.' wtf they gonna say to that? He has no balls I swear. whomever made him replace trshady and studioleaks with hiphopshelter and section80 would probably say you’re right. like. derty jason disappearing and them needing to close d12world and eminemworld, fine, but this?? for what f---ing reason… again with the self sabotage because of leaks?? f--- outta here! the whole situation is extremely bizarre. em acts like a d--- puppet sometimes but that’s probably the only way he can be writing and recording constantly >Yeah I think Tobey was an attempt at a lil street hit bc of Big Sean on it, and hoping to tap into a younger gen @ BabyTron or w.e his name is, 'Head Honcho' I do jus think was him tryna give Ez shine... which is fine, Somebody Save Me & Temporary... I mean, yeah obvious hit attempt @ Somebody Save Me, again fine, but, they're just so badly written vs. when he usually does that stuff. Probably bc he wasn't feeling em / they weren't sincere, as he'd already written them - fully and sincerely in Castle & Arose. that whole segment feels like an afterthought his constituents demanded after he turned in what THEY thought felt like an incomplete album when in reality it’s 100x better and more cohesive thematically and sonically without those songs. ridiculous >Such a shame, every album is always like 'd---, NEARLY'. Never can just fully do it. maybe with different management but that’ll never f---ing happen lol
Dec 14, 2024 at 6:25 AM Honestly, If he saved Castle - Arose- Framed for TDOSS it would be a classic. Having Houdini - Framed - Breaking News - GC2 - Castle - Arose would have been nuts
Dec 14, 2024 at 10:49 AM I think he worked on multiple albums at once. Maybe that's why excess of TDOSS is remade unreleased tracks. That's why it took him 2-3 years to drop an album. Watch him drop MMLP3 or TES/Infinite/Recovery spiritual sequel next with similar remade unreleased tracks next year. I have a hunch he'll remake The Apple, that song and Syllables are perfect for remakes. Also grail songs like keys to the city.
Dec 14, 2024 at 12:57 PM Fax. Not 'Framed' for me though. s--- jus sounds like a forced Relapse attempt.
Dec 14, 2024 at 5:33 PM Yeah but I think for the story it makes sense thematically Road Rage Ending/Paul Skit - Shady is fully back Houdini - Complete Shady Throwback Single Framed - I was framed... please give me one minute I think I can explain (it works for the story) Then breaking news bc "shady is officially gone too far"
Dec 14, 2024 at 6:50 PM Eminem should have saved 'Jimmy, Brian & Mike' for TDOSS. Hearing a throwback that old would have been crazy. The album could have had an entire disc of old tracks and I would have eaten it up. A cool way to do a 'Lost Tapes' too.
Dec 15, 2024 at 7:17 PM Wouldn't be lazy. Would be making use of two amazing tracks which were wasted on a POS album. Better than essentially remaking them and putting those subpar songs there.
Dec 15, 2024 at 7:20 PM He could've used the Framed news report things from the music video in the album too.
