Aug 27, 2025 at 1:34 PM My best guess is the MJ lyrics. Those had to be cleared at some point — either justified by an internal legal team, or via formal sample clearance. This song was never going to move the needle, so I think at the end of the day, nobody thought it was worth clearing those lyrics for what essentially amounted to a bonus track, at best.
Aug 27, 2025 at 1:37 PM I wasn’t thinking about it that way, but you’re technically correct. I didn’t do a great job of explaining it, admittedly because I don’t have the vocabulary for whatever this is called in songwriting world. Those were sort of call and callback type choruses for lack of a better technical explanation. What I’m talking about is two entirely different Eminem choruses running concurrently. Better heard than explained:
Aug 27, 2025 at 1:49 PM Stimulate and Revelation are exactly what you just described. It’s just that the “second” choruses are lower in the mix and less prominent than on ELAM. Superman is effectively the same too but it’s just one line repeated over and over as the “second” chorus Lose Yourself is kind of a counter-melody with a bit of harmony thrown in on “you only get one shot”. Doesn’t 8 mile have a bit of melody running beneath the chorus too? Can’t remember
Aug 27, 2025 at 1:55 PM He still could have used these tracks for free release... did 50 care about his jay z references? i know J isnt MJ but still. Countless classic material could have been dropped via mixtape. Hopefully one day we will get to hear other grails.
Aug 27, 2025 at 5:53 PM At that point, it’s a mix between supply-and-demand and whether he’s too big to do any free releases at all. Why these types of tracks weren’t used to hold fans over during his hiatus/addiction years probably broils down to Em’s wishes. I don’t agree with all of this from either a publishing or legacy point of view (he was solidified despite whatever he chose to do after TES), but I think that’s the reality. I’m sure he has gems in the vault, but I think he’s also got some runway in terms of creating new music… Not to be morbid, but if we’re being realistic, I’m more interested in having Dre help unearth the gems in his vault while he still has control, and before it’s too late. (And let me be clear, I hope that day is far, far in the future.) But if you go back and read the interviews with artists he mentored in the 2005- 2015 decade, it’s clear that Dre has some absolute fire in the vault. And I’m not talking about that deconstructed sound released via the Compton soundtrack or Dre’s trash club vibe. There are enough independent sources that reported that an upgraded 2001 is real thing, which I think is all fans ever wanted from Dre.
Aug 27, 2025 at 5:55 PM Thanks. Might need to do a closer listen, but aren’t these essentially single lines, melodies, or very short verse fragments at best? I’m talking about two fully realized choruses running concurrently. Feel free to call me on this if I’m wrong and I’ll take a closer to listen.
Aug 27, 2025 at 8:20 PM Glad you enjoyed it broh. The beginning of the 3rd verse fits really well for me (up to the suicide line) though the rest indeed drags on a bit.
Aug 27, 2025 at 9:55 PM The first verse sounded amazing. And you're right, the beginning of the 3rd fit really well. These verses are unique/new/fresh enough to me that it sounds way more legit than when (others) use verses that are already too well-known-on-the-o.g.-beats This is a fire edit imo; I'ma filter it myself (like make a version wjust the first verse, up til the 'Pistol Pistol' hook which due to the above is where i stop hearing a "fresh" song). Also make a version for myself with just the start of the third verse. Sometimes I like to make like 30-60 sec clips of awesome parts of Em's tracks to splice into my own playlists #inotheruselessnews Long story short nice work brah appreciate u chehacheahhcehahcehahcheahchehachehachehacheah!!!
Aug 27, 2025 at 9:56 PM I prefer the d--- beat for Noreaga/N.O.R.E.'s song "Nothin'" that was produced by peak "The Neptunes", mayne.
Aug 27, 2025 at 11:01 PM I think I found an acceptable alternative to the rest of the 3rd verse: Don't Approach Me (1st verse). The lyrics fit both the issues with his wife and privacy and also the original Cypress Hill song (You wanna be a rock superstar in the biz? And take s--- from people who don't know what it is / Don't tell me 'bout this show business s---, I know what this is) This mix definitely doesn't replace the original song for me, so it's no real loss that the hook and 3rd verse didn't fit.
Aug 27, 2025 at 11:08 PM As much as possible I try to make new songs from old ones, not just mashups or remixes. Very hard to find, but I think I've done it a few times. eg Superman aca over the Crazy beat.
Aug 28, 2025 at 3:46 AM I never understand like if they couldnt clear the sample for the chorus, why do they abandon the whole song instead of remove the sample and work around it?
Aug 28, 2025 at 5:12 AM For a start, it’s not even a sample. It’s an interpolation. The whole song is based around that subject matter, so it wouldn’t work if they just removed it
Aug 28, 2025 at 5:55 AM Thought you were gonna put it over the NORE - Nothin beat to mimick the freestyle version lol
Aug 28, 2025 at 6:55 AM When you look at this song and the supposed songs with Proof and the leaks from January......there's an awful lot of songs being created round other people's songs. Dre is famous for using samples. Maybe it's time to start creating new beats from scratch instead of making all these songs using samples that may never get cleared. Just come up with something original.
