Jun 27, 2017 it means something when they're some of the biggest and most well known edm artists out rn
Jun 27, 2017 I never said theres more vocal than not. they were 2 of biggest with vocal EDM songs, I said go to a nightclub and that's all they play f--- how old are you 12?
Jun 27, 2017 okay they're still not representative of the insanely wide umbrella of music that is considered "edm" tho but this is kinda straying from the original topic edm songs are carried much more by production than any other form of pop music so it makes sense that the producer is recognised if sonny digital and other trap producers want recognition they're welcome to "feature" rappers on their songs instead of selling beats they can see how that works out for them
Jun 27, 2017 That's because "EDM" is a r-----ed genre tag for a catch all, your argument is still stupid
Jun 27, 2017 if sonny is proposing that there be an extra award for producers at an award show im down for that im just saying when you work behind the scenes obviously you're not getting recognised like the stars are you would b ridiculously naive to expect that
Jun 27, 2017 so? why did you even make this point then lmao obviously but he used it so we're having the conversation pertaining to that tag still i have no idea what point you are trying to make i dont even understand what you disagree with me on
Jun 27, 2017 I'd say producers are more visible than ever. Sonny should just take notes from the people doing it right. Future put himself on by collabing with respected producers on projects where they each starred. He doesn't have to go full DJ Khaled to up his name. Just make some short focused projects with the guys who owe you for those big hits.
Jun 27, 2017 totally agree, producers are rockstars atm its just all about branding sonny should focus on that instead of complaining tbr
Jun 27, 2017 If producers want better recognition, Theyre best off doing their own vocal work, and you comparing producers on rap albums to lighting is stupid, comparing hip hop to EDM is a reasonable comparison
Jun 27, 2017 well ya im not disagreeing with that but that isnt the discussion we're having. yea i conceded the lighting point was sort've weak it is more like a DOP or something but comparing trap to mainstream "edm" in terms of producer recognition is absolutely not reasonable
Jun 27, 2017 Like, I don't think I've ever heard this guys name come up: And a meme producer with those accolades today would have cringy white kids shouting his DJ tags in their cafeteria. I mean, I get just writing it off as guys wanting to stroke their own egos, but your status as a producer and the rates you can charge for beats is largely a result of your reputation. It's like those modern art paintings that rich r-----s pay out the nose for because the artist is held in high regard by a circle of jack offs. So there is an argument to be had, but ultimately it does fall on Sonny's shoulders to adapt in the same way that other producers have. I don't think putting your average as f--- rapping over your beats has worked out for many people. At least get a half decent guy and start a duo.
Jun 27, 2017 fk u mean he innovated trap production like few others and deserves his credit just a few mentions of how hes shaped this decade of trap • he is responsible for futures break out of atlanta with racks & same d--- time • contributed the most juicy j's mid life revival after lex luger • composed the elements to birthday song (ye and his team sequenced it and added some extra elements) • produced tuesday and discovered makkonen • lived and worked with metro boomin wayy before he blew up • brought metro, dj spinz and 808 mafia with him to work at darp studios on the regular, where they produced p much everything from early 2013 to 2015. one of the beat collabs between them was Some More for young thug, which is also where metro got his iconic beat tag from • the first new atlanta trap producer to reach out to zaytoven for collabs, which now is like a rite of passage to make it inside the new atl producer clique • produced free guwop for 21 so just to recap, if there wasnt any sonny theres no guarantee there'd be any • Future • Metro Boomin • Young Thug • 21 Savage • post rubba band Juicy J • Ilovemakkonen (p much forgotten already but still an important chapter in trap history) 2 Chainz was already on af and had other hits on BOATS, but Birthday Song is still one of his biggest singles and not any producer can catch kanye's eye. lex luger usually gets attributed as the producer who started the new atlanta wave but hes been irrelevant for years and has nothing to do with all the current relevant acts. sonny deserves his credit and is getting none, id be frustrated if i was him as well
Jun 27, 2017 recording and mix engineers should be celebrated on the same level too, there wouldnt be any thugger without alex tymay
Jun 27, 2017 playing a role in someones career doesnt mean you can compile a list and say there is "no gurantee they would be here" as if young thug & future arent superstars in their own rights and putting juicy j in that list is just asinine. the others aswell i mean because he played a role he's not responsible for metro lmao cmon now recognition just doesnt work like that idk what to say, if he feels like he needs to be a superstar so bad he should work on his branding personally i think hes already doing great hes a pretty huge name for a contemporary trap producer i dont really understand what he's proposing is my thing. is it just that there should be an extra award for producers? if so then i mean sure
Jun 27, 2017 producers not only get screwed out of credits they also get screwed out of royalties. sonny is taking an initiative thats long overdue w this one
Jun 27, 2017 edited to say post rubba band juicy lol thats what i meant and if it was just a couple of assorted mixtape tracks that'd be one thing but all the artists ive mentioned have had some sort of *breakout single* produced by sonny. theres lots of other artists in the world that are super talented and potential "stars in their own right". but if they dont have anything like racks, same d--- time, juicy j cant, some more, tuesday, etc theyre going nowhere. and he is responsible for metro, he literally put metro on. thats exactly what hes saying lol, just that there should be at least one award for producers bc they get no recognition at the award shows. to me award shows are cancer either way but still
Jun 27, 2017 also deserves credits for making spinz 808s knock harder than any1 else w this one if u got no sub then dont comment
Jun 27, 2017 i mean this is a whole other debate thats just going to go on & on end of the day im sure he will go down as a scene legend for the work he's done in his city and for the genre as a whole he has thousands of fans and im sure is filthy rich im not sure what other forms of recognition someone needs apart from a pointless relic like a grammy or w.e but if thats what he's proposing that there should be: a new award for hip hop producer oty (?) or something then sure i guess i agree like i said other than that idk what hes asking for
