Sep 26, 2017 How long do you think? Is 12 years not enough also for Kendrick sure he has corny moments but God of Corn Em is top 5 so thats a really bad excuse
Sep 26, 2017 I think longer than 12 years because rap's been around for 38+ years, you kind of need to leave a permanent impact now and I don't really think Kendrick has done it yet.
Sep 26, 2017 Cause it takes people a few years to catch up to the real. Jeffery quite clearly the GOAT.
Sep 26, 2017 yo rt I was talking about Kanye and he has left a permanent impact lmao he changed music forever, I don't think there should be a time limit when we call someone a goat tf
Sep 26, 2017 And even on Kendrick he pushed consciousness back into mainstream hip hop, He arguably brought the west coast back and he has influenced society more than any other rapper since Ye
Sep 26, 2017 i don't know. long enough that people don't make threads on hip hop sites and call him a new rapper i guess. eminem is not a top 5 rapper by just about any objective metric outside of sales (and i'd listen to an argument about "technicality" if you had a definition) which really isn't a metric of being a good rapper, and if content is being looked at at ALL then it being corny is absolutely relevant to the conversation. how do you define "technical" skill in rap anyway? because if we're gonna be talking about these made up terms that don't have objective definitions we'll need to define them for argument's sake. do you mean just using multi-syllable rhymes or flow or what? i'm pretty sure that's not something most people would say pac was particularly gifted at. he wasn't a "technical" rapper, and i doubt many people would say he is but you yourself said that people are freaking out when you put kendrick over pac after saying that technicality is the most important skill. if someone has pac at #1 but you think that being technical is the most important trait in a rapper then i guess you're arguing with people who don't listen to enough rap, if we're going to use your own metrics (again, strictly for argument's sake) of saying that that being technical is the most important part of the overall. its like u gotta learn whos opinions to just disregard being entitled to an opinion does not mean your opinion is valid on any given subject. you're allowed to have it but if you're uninformed on it then it doesn't count for d-ck. a bunch of people say "i dont listen to rap, but eminem is by far the best rapper" like its asinine. stop talking to people with bad opinions, or at the very least, stop trying to convince them of things they don't understand.
Sep 26, 2017 I'm just tired of people bitching at me for putting Kanye/Kenny over pac and big tbh. If you have an issue with this please tell me why.
Sep 26, 2017 not if they don't hold up. you have to be an (the) ALL TIME GREAT(est). there's a reason no one mentions sugar hill g--- anymore. the genre moved on and they weren't good rappers. what's that got to do with anything i said in that post?
Sep 26, 2017 Yeah thats my question whats the minimum amount of time? I'm telling you thats why im asking it here, you're not the right person to answer
Sep 26, 2017 Well sounds like you should have just called this 'why can't Kendrick be in the GOAT discussion' cuz that's basically what you seem most concerned with...also Kendrick isn't a 'newer rapper' by any means. He's been rapping like 12 years or whatever someone said in this thread, so if you consider him to be the best you've heard then yea I guess that'd be your choice for GOAT. I'm not really a fan of his and strongly prefer Pac(and Big for that matter too), but nothing wrong with him being your GOAT imo...don't think he'll retire anytime soon so I'm sure plenty of others will be echoing that feeling in the future too.
Sep 26, 2017 but i gave you a 100% valid answer on the first page lol, you just didn't want to accept it. when it's been around long enough that people who know what they're talking about are versed enough in the medium can call it the greatest of all time. if you're asking for a specific timetable then you aren't going to get one and this thread should just be locked since you aren't going to get the answer you're looking for. what if i said 20 years. would that satisfy you? of course not. it's arbitrary.
Sep 26, 2017 and that's another thing like @Kon pointed out. if you want to call him your favorite that's fine but don't try to argue that you want to be objective then contradict your own arguments for kendrick being the objective goat, and asking for a minimum amount of time is just silly.
Sep 26, 2017 This is a good topic, Now I grew up listening to 90's hip hop, I still remember the Chronic coming out and being mesmerised by it. 2pac is my favourite rapper of all time, the reason? Thats what I grew up with. And at the end of the day, thats what it is all about, whatever you grow up listening to, you are going to be biased towards it, its natural to do so. So when I hear people talking about Kanye, Drake, Kendrick being the GOAT, I have no arguments with that, its just opinions at the end of the day. For a while, I never listened to much else but 90s stuff but having a kid who also likes listening to hip hop, I listen to what he listens to and get a great understanding of what is relevant today and its opened up a new world of hip hop which I didnt listen to before. So yeah, I don't understand the stigma either, I think Kanye may well be the GOAT
Sep 26, 2017 You never gave a valid answer to anything you just said they haven't stood the test of time and I ask you what is that time limit and you never answered until now. I agree with your point but wouldn't you say its been long enough to call Kanye/Kendrick the GOAT? I mean they're both critically acclaimed beyond that of Big/Pac Once again Kendrick is not my favorite, why do you keep saying that? I never said he was the GOAT I'm asking people why they have an issue with people putting him there. You can't seem to accept the fact that I'm asking a question that just isn't tailored to you. You're not the right person to answer this because you don't feel that way. When I said 12 years I was talking about from CD to now
