Sep 29, 2018 For me personally Believe alone >>>>>> Kamikaze and to this day I still play Walk On Water, Believe, Bad Husband, In Your Head, Castle and Arose more than Kamikaze so I don't know to each their own I guess.
Sep 29, 2018 Chloraseptic is slept on everywhere. I feel it's practically the best, most fun track on the album where he first begins to let his frustrations out on mumble rappers, while simultaneously hijacking their flow in order to demonstrate how much can be done with triplets, but on a more lyrical tip. Some very Shady verses here.
Sep 29, 2018 Well said. Chloraseptic is my second favorite Eminem song (first being 8 Mile which will forever hold the first place)
Sep 29, 2018 I apologize. This thread is wrong. Kamikaze is too brilliant for this to be true. I take it back.
Sep 29, 2018 No way. s---'s still a mess and a bunch of different sounding songs slapped together. Apart from tracks 1-3, those flow beautifully and have a similar simplicity and stripped-down production and tonalities to them, those first 3 flow great but then it just falls apart. No album which has Walk on Water AND Framed can be better than Kam. That's not an album. That's two completely different songs, sounds, directions, and going 'ima just put these on the same CD'. Kam is a focused, restrained, atom bomb. 1 aesthetic from start to finish. There's some creative s--- and beat changes and different ideas in there but it sounds like one family of music, the sum is greater than its parts. Revival is just a bunch of songs which don't belong together... stuck together. And because his entire aim of the album was trying to please everybody... it's almost like you can feel that, in the music. Like, I can feel that Framed is contrived because he's just trying to do it for Relapse fans... not that he just felt like making it, all the music has this dead feel to it. It's his worst album. Worse than Encore. I never feel like listening to it. Also why the h---, out of all the tracks you could choose... would you put Need Me there. One of the worst songs on the album. Need Me, Bad Husband, Tragic Endings.... argggggh, such a drag. Heavy, clumsy, repetitive, noisy, mushy crap. Much, much improved by shortening it though but not a scratch on Kam. Kam is his first proper album since Recovery... in terms of a sound, a theme, a vibe, but his first REAL win to rap fans and just as a very unflawed piece of work, a body of work, a 'thing' (as in tracks which all go together to result in an overall feel and a creation which is greater as a sum... his first real THAT since TES. Also just speaking about the individual elements of the work - his writing is better, the production is miles better. The production is fully all hip-hop again, no compromises, no BS, it's good to listen to and there's contrast again... For the longest time Em hasn't seemed to realise that if HE is fast and loud and aggressive... the beat also being that creates a mess, a clash, and he kept using terrible beats by Alex Da Kid who is just horrible and everything was just cheese and badly made. Kam beats actually have MOOD, FEEL and they're good to listen to and give his voice centre stage, like Lucky You being stripped and moody and slower as he speeds over it... the contrast is beautiful. He hasn't had that harmony since Relapse... Then the writing, the writing is so much better. There is some genius wordplay and puns on Kam, there's some great writing on Revival too but also SO much lazy writing. There's maybe 2 lazy lines I heard on Kam but Revival is full of them... this kind of pickle that we're in is hard to dill/deal.... Are you serious? A kindergarten teacher pill dickle pun on his supposed Trump anthem to lift America? Awful. And there's so many moments like that... Kam on the other hand - "when your reign is over, you'll hardly be missed"... Brilliant. "I got a couple of mansions, still I don't have any manors"... Brilliant; contextual, relevant to himself, the song, another of his endless string of self-referential descriptive character mythologizing (angry, women hating, crazed, anti-social etc.)... a clever way of basically saying 'I'm rich but still trash'... that kind of writing is night and day to most Revival puns and he is consistently this good throughout Kam. Not to say Revival has no brilliance; Arose is premium, stellar writing and performance, in my opinion maybe his best written emotional song, a powerhouse... but in general on the album - it's all over the place, inconsistent and full of trash. Kam is consistent, cohesive, a vision, it doesn't go off course much, has very little dull moments... really great 8/10 effort and some of his best rapping ever. Random tracks stuck together isn't an album, it's a mixtape. Revival isn't an album. It's a bag of s---.
Sep 29, 2018 Appreciate the elaborate response, but I already said I was wrong. You make a lot of good points about Revival there, but I still like Need Me. Its a nice, sombre verse from Eminem and Pink does her well. As for Framed, I actually think Eminem enjoyed doing that song more than others. I think deep down Relapse-esque songs is what puts a smile on his face. But yea, I was wrong. Kamikaze is much better. Just dissecting all the bars and seeing all the layers he puts into the lyrics, especially when considering this wordplay style was not his thing until recently, how he perfected it on this album and took it to an incredibly impressive level... its beautiful. Compare Recovery wordplay with Kamikaze wordplay to see how much he evolved in that area. Theres a lot of that in Revival too, but not like this, or not put into good use like here.
Sep 29, 2018 Yeah it's good he stuck at it @ the wordplay... Like, I'm surprised he wasn't deterred by all the bad feedback of some of his bad puns around that time and since... he must be aware of all that since he's so aware of everything else, clearly. But yeah he literally went from one of the worst pun writers ever (admittedly some of them were almost so bad in a unique way, that they were like 'so bad they're good' just like, shockingly absurd lol, like the long descript Batman calm/combat pun after saying he's the man for compact puns... then proceeds to write the longest and most ridiculous lead-up to a pun ever) to one of the best. There was lots of great wordplay even Recovery era and onwards but was just constantly hit and miss... Kam is like... consistent as h---, like his wordplay rarely falters even a bit, there's barely a single bad line, everything is top tier... "You won't ever see Em icey, but as cold as I get on the M I C - I polarize s---"... That is brilliance. Even other great pun writers struggle to have such perfection as some of the Kam lines 'Em icey, M I C'... perfect. And clever. And in context, no compromise at all to the wording, it's just like the words lined up for him like 'sure I'll be perfect here'... like that reign/rain ... missed/mist line... Brilliance.
Sep 29, 2018 Yeap. U might be the only guy I can actually agree with something related to Revival. Bad Husband definitely was song I love to hear. Untouchable is really underrated. People hate it but it's kinda genius. The whole concept is pretty good. And the fact that he actually rap over a rock beat when he was talking from the white cop perspective then, he raps over trap-ish beat for the view of black guy. I loved that track when it first came out. Actually Revival is too hated. There were 5-6 filler tracks but they were enjoyable. It's amazing how people call C5 a classic and Revival the worst album ever lol.
Sep 30, 2018 I don't know, I only have top 2 songs. I'm Back could be in top 3, but after that I never really made a list.
Sep 30, 2018 Walk of Water is very bad, I'm kinda glad it got a lot of hate because it means Em won't make something like that again "You f---ers are not ready, 'cause I got jelly, like Beyonce's pot belly"
