Dec 26, 2019In order
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then whoever the f--- else. If he only did the ringer it will still be Em then who gives a s---
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Dec 29, 2019
Even so, you're still stuck on the idea that rap has to fit in a certain box. Why can't a rapper just make fun music? Or interesting music? Or experimental music? Why can't someone make compelling party music? Why can't a rapper use a song to convey an emotion less through lyrics that explicitly state it and more through freeform association/the way they use their voice/the production? MF doom raps about f---ing bs but he's widely considered one of the greatest rappers of all time cuz he's weird and quirky and funny and innovative with the way he raps. What the f--- message does MF Doom carry? Maybe that rap that you like has to be lyrically "dense" in a more traditional sense, but that doesn't mean someone has to rap like Ghostface or Nas for it to be considered good.
In fact, Nas even PRAISED future for his innovation: "Big fan of Future. He's pushing flows forward and he's speaking about this generation and what's going on. That's a great place to be and that's what I respect about him."
https://djbooth.net/features/2016-05-19-nas-fan-of-future
You don't have to like the music, but the fact that you're saying that it's "wrong" to consider the rappers I mentioned as the best of the decade really demonstrates to me that you're simply not open to listening to music that fits outside what you like. And that's fine, you like what you like, but that's why people call you out of touch.
Rap is amazing because JPEGMAFIA, Young Thug, Denzel Curry, Freddie Gibbs, and Westside Gunn can all fit into the popular rap consciousness in a single year and sound virtually nothing alike but all bring different things to the table. I don't like deathgrips but I understand why someone would. I can't really get into the Griselda guys that much but I also understand the appeal behind them. They're both great groups for different reasons and I'm happy they exist.Fire Squad, Bojack, Mudkip and 4 others like this. -
Jan 7, 2020
Uhhh...
Kanye West
Kendrick Lamar
Future
Young Thug
Freddie Gibbs
YG
Chief Keef
Drake
Lil Uzi Vert
Denzel Curry
Top 20: Danny Brown, Vince Staples, Mac Miller, Earl Sweatshirt, Pusha T, J Cole, Migos, G Herbo, Meek Mill, 2 ChainzLast edited: Jan 7, 2020Ghostface, Ordinary Joel, Zeugma and 3 others like this. -
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Dec 30, 2019
Every single generation of new rappers always faces the same criticism. The best example is probably from this interview with Pharaoh Monch
As I was coming up, I remember we had cats yelling at Organized, “You’re the reason s--- is f----- up now! Hip Hop used to be fun with the hippity hop and the ‘Ho! Wave your hands in the sky.” Why y’all put so many words in the bars??” And I’d be like, “Well, f--- y’all.”
The same thing happened when NWA and west coast hip hop first came on the scene. Rap was from NY so anything from outside must automatically be trash. The same thing when the South came up. People used to despise Lil Wayne. OutKast got booed at the Source Awards. I remember when 50 Cent first came out there were legions of hip hop 'purists' claiming 50 Cent was killing hip hop, he was trash, he ruined the genre, he was 'too commercial'.
What I find hilarious is that 'mumble rap' really just refers to a specific set of rappers from around 2014 - 2016 with strong Southern accents and who do slur their words and inspired a lot of imitators. But Future, Thug and Migos are old news now. There was an entire SoundCloud era of X, Ski Mask, Pump, Kodak, Uzi that followed them and even that era is outdated. We're in an entirely new era now - how the h--- are DaBaby, XanMan, Teejayx6, Baby Keem, Rod Wave, Youngboy NBA, etc mumble rappers? Thats like calling MC Hammer a ringtone rapper. But somehow the term stuck and is just used to lump any rapper people dislike from 2014 - present.
Bottom line is all the same s---, again and again. Absolutely nothing wrong with liking a certain era of music (I f---in love classic Mobb Deep, Wu Tang, Nas, Big 90's NY rap) but that doesnt mean everything that came afterwards or that is different is worthless. If anything, given the time the genre's had to evolve and the technology that allows it to spread, its way better imo. And also nothing wrong with disliking a certain era (80s hip hop is boring to me). But theres variety enough that you can have literally any style you want these days and still have a steady stream of great new music and just ignore the stuff you don't like.Last edited: Dec 31, 2019Fire Squad, Mudkip, Sea Mauville and 3 others like this.(This ad goes away when signing up) -
Dec 29, 2019
As @Boos said, you're using the same arguments that boomers used to complain about 80s-90s rappers back in the day. They claimed it was devoid of substance and talked about how they couldn't understand anything they were saying.
Like I said, it's fine if a lot of newer rappers aren't your thing. Yes, Future and Thug are a little hard to understand to the uninitiated, but if you did more than shuffle through a few songs you'd be able to understand them fine. And Future and Thug are great lyricists, they're just different types of lyricists than someone like, say, Ghostface. If you're looking for dense storytelling, then yeah, Ghostface is probably your thing. If you're looking for more free-association type writing, then Thug is probably your thing.
JK Rowling is a good writer and James Joyce is a good writer but they're good writers for different reasons and their work shares pretty much no similarities. Someone who reads strictly fantasy isn't going to care for James Joyce and someone who reads strictly hardcore modernist literature isn't going to care for JK Rowling but that doesn't mean that they don't both have value.
And lastly, some words from 21 Savage:
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Dec 26, 2019
also no order
Chief Keef
Future
Young Thug
Migos
Kendrick Lamar
YG
Travis Scott
Lil Uzi Vert
Denzel Curry
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Jan 7, 2020
Kendrick, Thugger, Chief Keef (father of your favorite's rapper style, fight me), Cole, Travis Scott, ASAP Rocky, Tyler The Creator, Drake, Future, Weezy F. Baby, c'mon
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Jan 6, 2020
baby keem
carti
saint jhn
lil tjay
freddie gibbs
travis
uzi
westside gunn
trippie
tory lanez
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Dec 30, 2019
Kendrick
Cole
Drake
Future
Vince
Schoolboy
Meek
Earl
Herbo
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Dec 30, 2019
Ol' Dirty b------ invented mumble rap.Fire Squad, Zeugma, asvdawg and 2 others like this. -
Dec 30, 2019
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Dec 29, 2019
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Chief Keef
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Dec 29, 2019
HIP HOP IS DEAD! REAL RAP IN THE GRAVE!
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i mean you've got @joeyp363 agreeing with you in the best albums of the decade thread. not a good sign lol.Zeugma, Mudkip, Ordinary Joel and 2 others like this. -
Dec 27, 2019
Thug
Future
Kendrick
Kanye
YG
Greedo
Migos
Keef
Gibbs
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