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Started by Ricky, May 4, 2020, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    lmao dude are you kidding me

    the history of the genre is that by the mid-2000s new york was at its absolute nadir and the industry had finally caught on to atlanta, and then there was that houston explosion; crunk and snap were massive, and t.i., ross, and jeezy were emerging as the most reliably bankable new stars for majors.

    this is, literally, not something that anybody debates, it’s just the objective truth. and you’re using a lloyd banks single no one has played since 2004 as a counter example?
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    also 50 was not an insignificant influence on how some rappers sounded in the wake of him, but the same could be said of snoop — who was putting out hits a decade before 50 and continued to do so after 50 fell off.
     
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

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    True, Doggystyle is better than GRODT because it's a better album than GRODT.
     
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    Fire Squad Boss Don Biggavel

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    As someone that lived in NY, it was somewhat skewed remembering what exactly was happening before G-Unit exploded and dominated Hot 97/Power 105.

    Slowly but surely Crunk has a couple of spins, the Black Spades (notorious g---) on my block were blasting TI’s 24s and Dipset was still heavy in rotation.

    Radio stations always gave local guys spins, somehow even Fat Joe had a major hit with Lean Back
     
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    Fire Squad Boss Don Biggavel

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    I kid you not, everyone I practically knew had a copy of GRODT & or The Massacre. Nobody had a bigger zenith than 50, only place that was different was Harlem where everyone tried to look like Cam & Juelz
     
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    The way I remember it is 50/G-Unit happening kinda concurrently with St. Louis (Nelly, St. Lunatics, Murphy Lee, Chingy, etc.) and ATL crunk/snap/luda/lil jon/etc. But St. Louis rap and G-Unit both fizzled out by the time Houston started really gaining national attention and we saw the rise of the next wave of ATL artists like Jeezy, Gucci, Soulja Boy...ringtone rap era, etc. The south kept going, NY/STL did not for the most part.
     
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

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    Plus somewhere in there hyphy was getting national attention for a minute.
     
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    Fire Squad Boss Don Biggavel

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    I remember E-40’s Tell Me When To Go got everyone off their seats in my 8th Grade dance :rejoice:

    I miss Ring-tone/Snap, a lot of fun records came out from that
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    to be clear, 50 was huge — and new york radio is always good about playing new york rap, at least until very recently — but the idea that the 2000s were dictated by 50 is silly. wayne was far more influential, as was kanye. people sang on hooks more, but no one was writing like 50 or using beats similar to his.
     
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    Apart from gold digger/jesus walks Kanye wasn't globally recognized like 50 till late registration.

    50 definitely did run the early 00's your insane to think otherwise. Influence isn't apart of the discussion at present.
    Yeah because they couldn't afford Scott storch/Dre/Focuz beats etc
     
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    Hyphy Movement would have been so much bigger had Dre never passed. It’ll forever live in the Bay though.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    you said 50 paved the way for rap to move out of the ‘90s lol
     
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    No I did not lol
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    ahistorical nonsense
     
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    bs
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    the notion that boom-bap was central to rap at and after the turn of the century is insane. you don’t know what you’re talking about.
     
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    grodt is a f---ing classic
     
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    :dwight:
     
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    bruh are you outta your mind? like more-so in regards to your last post/s but you really think kanye coulda pioneered/paved/influenced anything if 50 didn't open the door for him with groundbreaking musical compositions like 21 Questions?
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    lol i know you’re joking but i don’t think ppl reading this do
     
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