Mar 22, 2015

TPAB is so overrated lol. People were calling it a classic 5mins after it was released. It's a good album but not the masterpiece people make it out to be. Lol @ Eminem Show being a all time great album too

 

Mar 22, 2015

You know there's something fishy about an album when opponents of the record desperately try to claim that its "just good!!" and nothing more. @Brubbles you call Eminem albums either "just good" or outright awful on a daily basis, and can defend your opinion without batting an eye. Explain why TPAB is "just good," without only referring to the people being hyperbolic in their praise.

 

Mar 22, 2015

that would be 95% of the critics

cool s--- bro

its really interesting the way things work...kanye stans LOVED to use critics... @Swizz made a thread dedicating critic reviews to yeezus..and used it as an argument...but hey now that it works against you..f--- critics?

its amusing and cute...speak some more you amuse me

 

Mar 22, 2015

At the Grammy Awards of 2003 it was nominated for Album of the Year and became Eminem's third straight LP to win the award for Best Rap Album. It has been certified 8x Platinum by the RIAA, has sold over 9.2 million copies in the U.S., and over 19 million albums worldwide. You can't beat that, numbers don't lie, it will always be an all time great album, whether or not you hide your inner stan it's still a album hard to conquer.

 

Mar 22, 2015

Yeah the attempts to underplay this album are almost as bad as the hype surrounding it

At least the hype is out of a genuine place of love for the album/music

The ones trying to downplay it are just focusing all the conversational hyperbole and ignoring all the good discussoons worth having about the record @Mathias @Brubbels

 

Mar 22, 2015

you talking about 5% ? do you guys run a little club where you meet together after school?

aaaaw

http://www.metacritic.com/music/to-p-----a-butterfly/kendrick-lamar

 

Mar 22, 2015

You know there's something fishy about an album when supporters desperately try to claim that it is a classic. @Koolo you called MMLP2 and ShadyXV both classics (while in fact they are s-----y albums), and now the same thing for this album. Explain why it is a classic, without just referring to critic reviews.

 

Mar 22, 2015

oh...meant real critics mate

 

Mar 22, 2015

The factors which I feel put the guys you've mentioned where they are when we have these kinds of discussions have to be:

Jay's longevity (even though his discog has its duds, he's put out music at a level longer than almost anyone else with multiple classics sprinkled in there), Kanye's consistency (his discog speaks for itself. even if you don't like any of his albums, you have to accept at very least that they're all good if not classic), The impact of Eminem (when Eminem came into the genre, had huge impact & SSLP, MMLP, TES are all regarded to as classic albums. Kendrick has achieved that similar impact imo and the jury is still out on his 3). Big & Pac are up obviously up there, but that's more self explanatory. Pac's progression was crazy, especially with such a short lifespan/career. And Biggie probably had the best flow of all time

Kendrick definitely already deserves to be put in the discussion, with 3 extremely solid albums (S.80 was amazing, GKMC being a classic, TPAB I'd say is too early to give that nod imo since I'm not fully into it yet) and then the KLEP & OD as well as the rest of his catalogue.. He's had an interesting progression but I think his most interesting work is to come in the future. Really hard to say what it would take to warrant him being in the discussion, but he's basically almost there. See where his next album goes and take it from there

edit: Nas deserves to be in this discussion since it seems like mainstream rappers

 

May 23, 2015

smh. gkmc is a classic. biggie had two masterpieces that dwarf it. section 80 is a very good record and butterfly is middling. saying kendrick has surpassed biggie is like saying "i avoid music made before 2010 at all cost."

 

Mar 22, 2015

well, you weren't wrong before, and you aren't wrong now. kool g rap 100% pioneered the style, and there's no doubt that the guys who eventually popularized it--rae, biggie, ghost, nas, to a lesser extent jay--were close listeners to g rap and borrowed a lot from him.

it's important to remember that cuban linx and it was written were made concurrently. so while the latter was read overwhelmingly by critics and "real hip hop heads" upon its release as a reactionary sell-out move, it was no more calculated than the purple tape. nas just had the disadvantage of having a prior solo album that comes from a different perspective.

biggie's popularity is probably what made the mafioso stuff endure for the rest of the 90s, but i think he was no more a pioneer than rae and nas,

 

Mar 22, 2015

that is literally not even close to what i said--i said swizz was using them in a different way than you are. that's all. stop reaching.

 

Mar 22, 2015

lets see...every critic in the world who gets PAID to do his job for YEARS says this album is a masterpiece

naaah n----- lets hop off the train and listen to them forum hip hop heads niggasssss !!!!!

YO KANYE WHERE IS YOUR 29TH CLASSIC NIGGGA !!!

 

Mar 22, 2015

the f--- this hype train about, Kendrick is good but please take a seat

 

Mar 22, 2015

Kdot also has such a great backlog of songs that aren't "mainstream" like the ones from the ep, od, various other mixtapes etc. So if you take those into consideration I think he already is, but yeah just give it a few more years (and another album) and he'll be in every discussion.
P.S. 808s and heartbreaks is awful plz take it out of the op, thank you.

 

Mar 21, 2015

>All time greats
>Eminem

 

May 24, 2015

you can't be serious. i refuse to believe this is something a person believes.

 

May 23, 2015

I'm not sure about that claim, from the looks of things it came out to a lot of critical acclaim from several publications at the time of it's release. Not to mention it earned 4.5 Mics which was possibly the highest distinction a hip-hop album could get in those days, obviously retrospect has been kind to Biggie but it wasn't just a popular album.

 

Mar 22, 2015

I didn't realize there was rules to the thread. I'll be sure to follow them next time.

 

Mar 22, 2015

you gotta do the citation when you copy and paste @Bot