Apr 28, 2015

Idk, I'm not in the Dipset fanclub. Their little cult following tends to overrate them. Lots of NY acts were just as good in the 2000s without the zany fashion/personalities and meme potential. @WPG

Big L recycled more than Captain Planet.

 

Apr 28, 2015

screw it here's my list, not really in order though

10. KRS One
9. Big Pun
8. Jadakiss/Styles P (either one)
7. 50 Cent
6. DMX
5. Ghostface Killah/Method Man (either one)
4. Kool G Rap/Big Daddy Kane/Rakim ( either one based off being originators)
3. BIG
2. Nas
1. Jay-Z

 

Apr 28, 2015

i dunno, i'd have to be pointed in the direction of a group that made something approaching diplomatic immunity

 

Apr 28, 2015

i dont have no order but as a new yorker 50 and pun are in my top 10 ny rappers of all time.

if im taking someone out your list it would be redman/camron and keith

 

Apr 28, 2015

G-Unit comes to mind

 

Apr 28, 2015

no i said a group that made something approaching diplomatic immunity

 

Apr 28, 2015

oh i forgot jadakiss deleting cam off my list for him

 

Apr 28, 2015

ohh ok my fault, well there hasn't been many crews in the East that made an impact like Dipset, Rocafella Ruff Ryders or G-Unit. i've listened to those 4 more than i did with Dipset. those are the only crews that come to my mind when the East Coast is mentioned.

 

Apr 28, 2015

I've seen a couple instances of hyperbole regarding the Diplomat's legacy but I can't fully agree with this. They were on a consistently good run and had very colorful personalities behind the mic, obviously they were backed by some of the finest instrumentals I've ever heard...I have a ton of nostalgia of them too, it felt like everyone was bumping their music everywhere you looked up here in NY.

 

Apr 28, 2015

50 had a bigger impact on ny than cam ever did. Cam also doesn't have the better discography (mixtapes/albums)

 

Apr 28, 2015

fair, i just don't think any of those crews have a single album that is as good as the first DI

 

Apr 28, 2015

how about Wu-Tang? they might be a little more comparable since there more of a collective rather than a bunch of solo acts.

 

Apr 28, 2015

Overall NY or NY in the 2000s? Roots did both.

 

Apr 28, 2015

50 had a much bigger impact on rap at a national level. new york is a toss-up, and that's being generous to 50.

i think it's pretty egregious to say that 50, he of curtis-massacre-self destruct fame, is behind the guy with three masterpieces. have you really combed through cam's catalog?

oh absolutely, diplomatic immunity is not 36 chambers. i was just going off the time period you specified.

 

Apr 28, 2015

but yea you are right about their influence, going back to the music they made something original that most haven't made. they included soul samples and alot of that braggadociousness to their albums. i remember when they were in their prime everybody was into their fashion and what they brought to the coast. Cam had people wearing pink furs and getting pink covers for their nextels lol.

 

Apr 28, 2015

50 was more international than just being on the East, it feels like he didn't care much about the East Coast since he dissed nearly everyone out here just to keep afloat. it sure did backfire on him.

 

Apr 28, 2015

Actually I'm surprised no mention of ATCQ or Mobb Deep yet...Prodigy was amazing from 95-2000

 

Apr 28, 2015

good list WPG.

but no rakim?

 

Apr 28, 2015

overrall dipset had better rappers than g unit jim jones, agallah, un kasa, juelz are better than young buck, tony yayo and banks. but i used to listen to g unit way more at the time.

 

Apr 28, 2015

growing up in queens and brooklyn 50's impact on new york was just as huge, from pioneering the mixtape era to dropping 2 classic albums, the city was his for that stretch even with jay afloat. Jay actually fell back for a while during that time period for that reason. You cant pin point a time in hip hop where cam alone was doing something along those lines without dipset attached to him. Obviously 50's success was global but for you to say he didn't have that big of an impact in NY is hilarious. I witnessed it first hand.