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Started by Ripper Roo, Dec 11, 2022, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Michael Myers
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    Sorry I offended tech nine :emoji_pensive:
     
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  2. Ripper Roo
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    Ripper Roo It was never my responsibility.

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    Playboi Carti is an actual experimental artist that I like. I wouldn’t make fun of someone for not liking him though or tell them they don’t get it. I don’t think my tastes are superior or special. His fans can get pretty embarrassing though.
     
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  3. Ripper Roo
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    Ripper Roo It was never my responsibility.

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    Kendrick’s new album is one of my favorite albums in a long time, but yeah some Kendrick fans really just can’t accept that some people don’t like it even though they fully “get it”. Some people falsely equate “getting” something with liking it. People get really elitist when it comes to conscious music like Kendrick’s. You don’t have to be transgender to have an opinion on Auntie Diaries.
     
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    In terms of Whole Lotta Red — when I say not everyone is going to "get it" or like it because it was more experimental, that's not meant as an insult, it's just a fact. It's not for everyone and that's fine. I think when people say it's "awful" as in it has zero value and someone responds with "well it's experimental, you might not get it" I think that's more of a knee-jerk response to someone saying it's flat-out terrible. Obviously some people mean that in a snobby way but for me it's just like "OK you don't like it and that's fine, but I don't think you're giving it a fair chance if you're implying it's complete s--- with no value just cuz you don't like it."

    I have no issue with someone not liking the album, but what I do have issue with is the way people engage with it on a critical level. If you go into Whole Lotta Red wanting and expecting traditional hip-hop (not saying this about you, just a general statement based upon what I've seen people say) of course you're not gonna like it. It's like going into an action movie and being disappointed it isn't some ultra-serious political drama. WLR is rage music, not boom bap.

    Like for I don't really "get" Death Grips but I see the value in it and can understand why people would like it.
     
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    I've been listening to a lot of metalcore and hyperpop lately and those are two genres that have the "you just don't yet it" label if people don't like it, funny thing about it is I genuinely hated this s--- until I didn't so now I get both sides of the argument lol.
     
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    What I'm trying to say is listen to this kind of music and like it cause if you don't then f--- you and you're worse than me.
     
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    I get that lol. Those genres definitely do seem like that at times. I guess those types of people exist for basically everything though, certain groups are just more prominent than others. At the end of the day though it’s all just opinions and shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

    Looking at my initial post on this topic, I would kind of rephrase it. I should’ve specified that I was talking about experimental music I’ve heard, not experimental music in general. I was mostly referring to s--- that has been sent to me over the years or rabbit holes I happened to fall down. Most of the music I listen to isn’t that experimental at all, but I do definitely enjoy experimentation in music, and I think my initial statement may make it seem like I don’t like it. Now that I think about it, the “90%” statistic is probably a bit hyperbolic as well but it felt right in the moment. I’d say it’s more 60%-70%.
     
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    I agree with this to an extent. As far as what’s popular goes it’s laughable for anyone to say hip hop is dead or point to what is popular as an example of the genre being in a bad place when you consider that ringtone rap happened. Compare the guys like Lil Uzi, YB, Thug, Polo G etc etc to rappers like Jibbs, J-Kwon, Dem Franchise Boyz etc lol. That was a very dark time for the genre especially considering most of those one hit wonders are broke as f--- now. Saying that the versatile, melodic rappers of today are talentless is beyond stupid.

    The genre has also grown and morphed so much over the last few decades, trends are coming and going faster than ever and it’s a bunch of sub-genres in one now and getting increasingly hard to lump it all together.

    I think 80’s and early 90’s rap is really overrated but saying like Nas and Biggie and early Jay were overrated, nah
     
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    Ripper Roo It was never my responsibility.

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    Oh for sure, anytime someone says hip hop is dead I cringe a little. Most rappers these days are definitely less afraid to take risks it seems like. Because of that, there’s so many different types of rap now. You have rappers like Lil Baby, then you have rappers like Playboi Carti who are completely different but these artists are able to coexist. I feel like earlier in rap only a certain type of rap would be popular whereas today different types of rap can thrive all at once.

    Yeah, I definitely don’t think Nas, Biggie, Jay Z, and other legends from back then are overrated. It’s just more about older music in general, not even just rap, that tends to get overrated because lots of people often feel like the s--- that came out when they were young was the best. That’s an age-old thing that I think modern music and the internet will eventually get rid of, at least partially. Artists today incorporate older sounds often, and the internet gives access to so much different music that it can be way harder to fall into the trap of thinking that older music is always better.

    Talking about 80’s and early 90’s rap, a lot of the s--- I’ve heard from back then naturally sounds very basic compared to these days. Some 80’s rap flows are especially embarrassing lol I don’t know how any oldhead could dickride that s--- but to each his own I guess. From what I’ve heard, around 1994 is when rap started to get really good
     
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    Thats always the case with hardcore fans. Like, @Harleezy said on the last page that peep, xxxxtentation, juice world were only considered great because of their deaths. I mean , their fans probably thought they were great before. But people are like 'the greatest artist of the generation!!' type of s--- lmao.

    Btw I think they are fine
     
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  11. Michael Myers
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    See, the difference between saying someone doesn't get it or like it, is that 'getting it' seems to imply you have to have some level of understanding. As in, oh you are not smart enough. I know you don't mean that, but it can totally come off that way if someone says it.

    Like I said, I am not saying stuff like "I don't see how people listen to Carti, they are idiots!". I just can't enjoy it. For the sake of this thread I went back and listened to a couple of songs got on my phone from him;

    Magnolia: iirc this one was a huge hit. I don't get the appeal. The beat is fine but very repeative, he's repeating words for half the song and the constant adlibs -the same way Migos does that- annoy the f--- out of me.

    Off the Grid: the verse is short but here again his moaning and noises during his verse (dunno the proper word) annoy me.

    Don't get me wrong, it doesn't all have to be traditional rapping for me. The way Thug uses his melodic voice , love it mostly. He can also do a lot of different styles and yeah w Harambe thats just a miss for me.

    But what you said about engaging on a critical level... you know how I feel about that. Music is subjective and disliking it doesn't make it bad. Or the other way around. People that act like their opinions on subjective things (which music is 100%) are facts are idiots.
     
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