Best Posts: Taliban Recapture Afghanistan

DKC · Aug 16, 2021

Aug 16, 2021

Enigma said

Very much a d---ed if you do, dammed if you don’t situation. If the U.S. remains a military presence, they’re greedy imperialists fighting endless wars in the Middle East with no real end game—not to mention the financial cost/American death toll. If they leave, they’re throwing away 20 years of attempted nation building & numerous human rights advancements in Afghanistan + a strategic geopolitical ally in the Middle East/Asia.

Like I’ve said previously about other foreign policy issues: there’s no silver bullet or correct answer. This is all about damage control. These issues are extremely complicated. It’s hard to say whether pulling out of Afghanistan was the correct decision at this point. I was skeptical of the decision but understood, politically, it was one Biden felt comfortable with making. Perhaps hitting a hard reset, even if it worsens the U.S.‘s influence/position in the region, is what’s needed for a more feasible pathway forward in the future.
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I don't think @Chrollo (or me or anyone for that matter) was disagreeing it's a complex situation with no simple solution. I can't speak for him but I'm personally glad we're pulling out even tho I obviously can't know whether or not that's gonna be the "right" decision in the long run. But regardless of who made the decision and what the outcome of that decision was I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to get flack for the situation at large.

Enigma · Aug 16, 2021

Aug 16, 2021
If the Biden administration deserves any criticism, it’s for the plans to evacuate Afghans who assisted the U.S. military & U.S. officials in the country. Kabul falling was inevitable. A lot of these people should have been taken out of the country weeks if not months ago.

Lucy · Aug 16, 2021

Aug 16, 2021
Um pretty sure there were like 100 9ther factors involved, not just 9/11

Enigma · Aug 16, 2021

Aug 16, 2021

Chrollo said

That was not the question here lmao. It's more about the US creating their own enemies and letting them run havoc just to conveniently piss off across the big sea, leaving their mess behind and be like: "Hey we did what we can, don't blame us". 9/11 would have never happened without the US's funding of groups that were later to become terror militias all around the word. They were so scared of the big bad wolf communism that they unknowingly (?).created another evil. Instead of admitting that the War on Terror was just an useless slaughterfest, they themselves induced, they resolve to say that "it was complicated" and that "we had to protect Americas values and it's citizen". They are the bad guys. Plain and simple. And the least they can do is take accountability for it, admit they f----- up big time and stop acting like they are the heroes. It's good that the US military pulled out of Afghanistan. The citizens will still suffer greatly but everything is better than having Uncle Sam interfere.
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There are a lot of generalizations/oversimplifications in here but sure, it’s undoubtedly true the U.S. has made some very bad foreign policy decisions that have contributed to major issues/conflicts now. I don’t dispute that at all.

Just to be clear though: the U.S. invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring the terrorist organization responsible for 9/11. Now, I think a lot of people agree, myself included, that the invasion was short sighted & reactionary. It was a horrid decision made by a country that was hurting & looking for vengeance (both in terms of public opinion & political elites). That context can’t be lost in the trees.

Chrollo · Aug 16, 2021

Aug 16, 2021

Enigma said

Very much a d---ed if you do, dammed if you don’t situation. If the U.S. remains a military presence, they’re greedy imperialists fighting endless wars in the Middle East with no real end game—not to mention the financial cost/American death toll. If they leave, they’re throwing away 20 years of attempted nation building & numerous human rights advancements in Afghanistan + a strategic geopolitical ally in the Middle East/Asia.

Like I’ve said previously about other foreign policy issues: there’s no silver bullet or correct answer. This is all about damage control. These issues are extremely complicated. It’s hard to say whether pulling out of Afghanistan was the correct decision at this point. I was skeptical of the decision but understood, politically, it was one Biden felt comfortable with making. Perhaps hitting a hard reset, even if it worsens the U.S.‘s influence/position in the region, is what’s needed for a more feasible pathway forward in the future.
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That was not the question here lmao. It's more about the US creating their own enemies and letting them run havoc just to conveniently piss off across the big sea, leaving their mess behind and be like: "Hey we did what we can, don't blame us". 9/11 would have never happened without the US's funding of groups that were later to become terror militias all around the word. They were so scared of the big bad wolf communism that they unknowingly (?).created another evil. Instead of admitting that the War on Terror was just an useless slaughterfest, they themselves induced, they resolve to say that "it was complicated" and that "we had to protect Americas values and it's citizen". They are the bad guys. Plain and simple. And the least they can do is take accountability for it, admit they f----- up big time and stop acting like they are the heroes. It's good that the US military pulled out of Afghanistan. The citizens will still suffer greatly but everything is better than having Uncle Sam interfere.

Chrollo · Aug 16, 2021

Aug 16, 2021

Donkey Kong Country said

good thread about how the US and USSR used Afghanistan as their coldwar plaything and never really understood the country in the first place. Of all the disgusting things my country has done what we did to Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 30-40 years remain close to or at the very top of the list for me.

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It's crazy how many people still use "The War on Terror" as an excuse for all those US invasions. I'm glad people start to educate themselves on this topic and don't follow blind patriotism. And it's facts that in the soviet controlled Afghanistan many reforms have been made, that liberated the people there. Those filthy communist pigs!

DKC · Aug 16, 2021

Aug 16, 2021

Chrollo said

Classic US move. Create a mess and leave after 10 years without cleaning it up. "Well if the Afgahnis don't wanna fight, we can't do anything about it". As if the US didn't fund militant islamistic groups to fight against the soviets. Well, the Taliban emerged from those islamistic groups later on, so good job Daddy America!
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good thread about how the US and USSR used Afghanistan as their coldwar plaything and never really understood the country in the first place. Of all the disgusting things my country has done what we did to Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 30-40 years remain close to or at the very top of the list for me.

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