Politics The Official Donald Trump Administration Thread

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  1. reservoirGod
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    Vanessa Haydon taking half of Don Jr.'s wealth before Mueller shutters the Trump Organization and sends him to Leavenworth for crimes against America.
     
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    Hope this isn’t true. McMasters was one of the few individuals in this administration I had faith in. Can’t say I’m surprised though. Since appointing McMasters, there have been numerous reports of Trump & McMasters not getting along.
     
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    Leavenworth ouch!
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  4. Enigma
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    Oh & meet Trump’s new top economic advisor since his last one quit, Larry Kudlow:





    This guy has continuously been wrong about everything he predicts for the economy.
     
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  6. Enigma
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    The best part is this is the reason they fired him:

    The trump administration doesn’t give a s--- that McCabe was leaking info to the media about the Clinton investigation. They’re using him as a scapegoat for their ridiculous “deep state” conspiracy while simultaneously trying to discredit him as a witness to potential obstruction of justice.

    McCabe’s response:

     
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    I don't know why you scoff at the idea of a “deep state” though. It's just another way to say "the establishment," a term which you yourself have (mis)used.
     
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    :lmaooo:
     
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    He broke the law and he lied under oath. Even the FBI recommended his firing.
     
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  11. Enigma
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    He was retiring in 2 days. He announced his retirement months ago. The IG report, however unethical his communications may have been, (McCabe claims they weren’t. You be your own judge) no laws were broken. McCabe was on his way out & Sessions knew the president wanted McCabe fired. McCabe is also a potential witness to whatever obstruction of justice case the special counsel might decide to bring up. All-in-all, firing him was entirely uncessary & purely a political move by the trump administration.
     
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    You're twisting yourself in knots again, my friend. McCabe broke the law by A. leaking information to the media in an unlawful manner and by B. lying under oath. That is why the FBI recommended he be fired, and that in turn is why Trump fired him. The argument that firing him was “unnecessary” because he was retiring anyway is a childish sophism, and that it was a political move nonsensical. Trump had nothing to gain politically from firing him on the spot instead of just waiting a couple of days. If anything it worked against him because it gave people like you an excuse to cry obstruction, even though there is no evidence of obstruction.
     
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    If he broke the law, the inspector general would have advised charges & the DOJ would be pressing charges. Neither of those two things happened. The IG report stated that McCabe’s disclosure to the WSJ about the Clinton investigation was improper, McCabe claims it wasn’t. This is entirely he said, she said so people can be their own judge there. Again though, there’s no criminality being looked at here in terms of what McCabe did. He was fired for unprofessional conduct. Which again brings me to the point that firing a 20+ year FBI agent who’s due to retire in 48 hours for alleged misconduct makes no sense unless you have alterior motives. What did firing McCabe 2 days before his retirement do for this administration other than jeapordize a potential witness in a case that could be brought against the president?
     
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    Write off his leaking as "unethical/unprofessional" if it makes you feel better, but committing perjury is a criminal offense. That doesn't mean he will go to jail for it though. People in D.C. break the law all the time and get off scot-free.
    Again, Trump fired him at the FBI's recommendation. You're not responding to my points; you're just repeating what you read in the Washington Post. They lie by omission. They skew and spin things to fit their one dimensional one-track narrative. You need to learn to think for yourself.
     
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    So let me get this straight: after months of this administration trying to delegitimatize the FBI & suggesting they’re part of this mass conspiracy (the deep state) to take down the president — you think they would pass up the opportunity to prosecute a top FBI official?

    Trump didn’t fire him, Sessions did. Also, context of the firing matters. The full IG report hasn’t even been made public yet & McCabe’s statement to the media contradict the conclusion of the IG report. It’s already being reported that McCabe is going to sue the federal government for firing him for political reasons:



    Why would someone who according to you, committed crimes, do this?
     
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    I'm talking about a few corrupt people within the FBI, not the agency itself. Strzok literally texted about an “insurance policy” that could be used in case Trump got elected. He was referring to the Mueller probe*. This was originally redacted from a batch of Strzok texts the DOJ gave to Congress.





    These texts provide not only irrefutable proof of at least some bias within the FBI, but a clear “conspiracy to take down the president” by any means necessary. This is not a conspiracy theory. Stop pretending Trump is a normal president when it's convenient to do so. The guy literally felt/feels the same way as you do about Trump. He literally wanted to protect the counry from someone he considered a "menace." There were people during the election, including people in positions of power, that truly believed Trump was Hitler in the most literal sense. They believed that not only would he ruin the country, he would plunge the world into a nuclear holocaust. Strzok was apparently one of them, so why wouldn't he plot against him? Wouldn't you?

    *Strzok later had serious doubts about the probe after realizing it was a nothingburger:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-messages-from-fbi-agent-removed-from-mueller
    That doesn't help your argument any.
    He clearly wasn't fired for political reasons. He'll lose.
     
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  17. Enigma
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    You’re still hanging onto these text messages? It’s already been established that the context of many of these text messages were sent in a joking manner. It shouldn’t shock people that FBI agents have political opinions. The Russia inquiry didn’t spawn because two lower-level FBI agents didn’t like Trump. Strzok was removed from the investigation months ago anyways so why is this even an issue anymore? There’s no merit to any of this. Just private text messages between two colleagues/friends. There’s no evidence that they took any type of action in their official capacity to undermine the president.

    Flashback:

     
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    No, that has never been established. It is pure speculation. You say "many" of these messages were in jest, but really you're just speculating based on Ron Johnson's noncommittal remark about the secret societies reference.
    Oh, so now they weren't joking?

    This goes beyond bias. Mention was made of an "insurance policy" in case Trump won the presidency. That doesn't sound like a joke to me, but maybe I missed the punchline. Care to fill me in?
     
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    it's 3am dont yall every get tired of talking about trump
     
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    And I suppose your explanation why the texts were redacted would be they weren't pertinent or some bs. You really are lame, @Enigma.
     
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