Apr 5, 2021 Yeah... internment camps... and Democratic Socialism and recovering from the Great Depression and winning WWII and desegregating the Goverment employment and Federal Programs that worked so well that millions of Americans still depend on them today 80 years later... and winning 4 Presidential elections. Terrible President... huh? Hopefully Joe Biden won't be that bad. Are you trying to pick up El Rushbo's torch now that the Lung Cancer hoax caught up to him?
Apr 5, 2021 res serious question: do you understand how conversation works? when a guy concedes “yeah i’ll give it to you on one thing: biden has camps like fdr did,” the implication is that he doesn’t have those other things. you don’t have to list them—they’re baked into the exchange. just a fun little tip!
Apr 5, 2021 “this socialist is like rush limbaugh because he’s a little skeptical of the president who lead the democratic charge to iraq and helped codify our current carceral state” — a guy who’s completely lost the plot
Apr 5, 2021 Joe Lieberman was the Democrat Hawk that was on the Cheney/McCain Train to occupy Iraq forever. Biden was just one of a few Democrats that believed that the authorization was just for Inspectors (a mistake for sure and something I disagreed with him for then and now) and became a major critic of the Iraq War less than a year after it started.and demanded accountability from the Bush Administration. He actually did lead the charge of the end of the Iraq War as Vice President... or did you forget that part?
Apr 5, 2021 Biden told Ritter that no matter how thorough the inspections, the only way to eliminate the threat was to remove Saddam Hussein. “The primary policy is to keep sanctions in place to deny Saddam the billions of dollars that would allow him to really crank up his program, which neither you nor I believe he’s ever going to abandon as long as he’s in place,” Biden said, characterizing former President Bill Clinton’s administration’s policy. “You and I believe, and many of us believe here, as long as Saddam is at the helm, there is no reasonable prospect you or any other inspector is ever going to be able to guarantee that we have rooted out, root and branch, the entirety of Saddam’s program relative to weapons of mass destruction. You and I both know, and all of us here really know, and it’s a thing we have to face, that the only way, the only way we’re going to get rid of Saddam Hussein is we’re going to end up having to start it alone — start it alone — and it’s going to require guys like you in uniform to be back on foot in the desert taking this son of a — taking Saddam down,” Biden said. “You know it and I know it.” https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/ and i’m sorry, but if you buy into the notion that biden was a sincere believer in a genocidal war having a “narrower scope” and really meaning that, i have a bridge in delaware to sell you. anyone who bought iraq as a ~serious threat~ to america in 2002 was a mark then and is a mark now.
Apr 5, 2021 both laughing and feeling gravely depressed that fully-grown adults like res can hear these paper-thin, lazy justifications from the people who control the american imperial machine and go “i believe you, sir! you were only gonna s---t the really really mean ones!” my god, you children.
Apr 5, 2021 Why do you believe Joe Biden voted for the 2002 Military Authorization? Do you think Biden is genocidal & just wanted to k--- a bunch of poor Afghan children for fun or? @reservoirGod is right that Biden (like many Democrats at the time) voted for the 2002 military authorization in hopes that it would compel Iraq to allow UN inspectors back into the country. Biden made that very clear in his senate speech prior to casting his vote:
Apr 5, 2021 because joe biden, like most american politicians post-ww2 but increasing decade after decade, is invested in the expansion of the american empire into regions where: a. there are natural resources to seize and exploit b. there is an opportunity to fully gut a country’s economic infrastructure—one already decimated by decades of american sanctions—and use it as a free-market playpen c. there are years-old grudges to settle d. the people aren’t white e. there is the vague notion that it might be militarily advantageous to use the country as an outpost in the future, and—this is as crucial as anything else— f. the federal government can pump untold billions of dollars into the defense contracting industry, artificially juicing its favorite shadow economy and avoiding virtually all international scrutiny and oversight and as for the biden quote you posted—as with res, i really don’t know what to say to a person who takes that at face value in light of [gestures widely] american history.
Apr 5, 2021 @Sign Language i agree with you - the marijuana policy stuff is maddening. hopefully if the senate can muster the ability to pass a bill* biden will be compelled to sign it. box him in i mean **unlikely, regardless of biden or whoever is president. comrade @WPG fails to grasp the intricacies of a 50/50 senate. but thats another debate.... and that said, did i miss the jubilation itt about the historic covid bill? the strides are clear as day on an array of fronts, as @Enigma and res have already pointed out. theres genuine disagreements to be hand within the party, so ill leave it at that, but the hatred or discontent with biden, and his work with progressives, thus far amazes me. oh and @Donkey Kong Country im with u on high speed rail. the dem party was burned badly in the obama years over it so i get the reluctance. hopefully this infrastructure bill will enhance rail/amtrak significantly tho. stay united friends. -sxn80's Q
Apr 5, 2021 Why would Joe Biden be invested in that? I just cant fathom a vast majority of US representatives/senators caring more about natural resources across the Atlantic or geopolitical military advantages vs like...re-election...because ultimately that’s what you’re arguing here. You’re saying Biden willingly traded the deaths of not just innocent Iraqis but U.S. soldiers/veterans for some oil? I think you would even admit that’s politically idiotic. And even if everything you said was true & Biden wanted Iraqi natural resources, geopolitical advantages, k--- brown people etc. why was he hesitant in moving forward with military action? He published an OP-ED in the Washington Post advocating to give Iraq more time & continue diplomacy merely days before Bush made the decision to invade Iraq. Why was he critical of the Bush administration’s diplomacy efforts in the days/weeks/months after the invasion began? Why did he acknowledge his vote as a mistake? I’m not suggesting the things you listed aren’t considered at the top levels of military command (Pentagon, CIA, president, etc.) but to suggest a congressperson is weighing fucken defense contracting that voters don’t give a s--- about over salient issues that will actually help them win re-election is just silly. I understand your skepticism given U.S. history & its involvement in toppling regimes across Latina America, South America etc. but there’s healthy skepticism & then conspiratorial thinking; you’re approaching more of the later.
Apr 5, 2021 . Joe Biden taking on the Pentagon and the Bush Administration, less than 4 months after the Iraq War started.
Apr 5, 2021 first of all... most wars are extremely popular at their beginnings. yes; what world are you living in? he wasn't, actually: this is an argument that the us and un should be more mindful of the politics and optics of "invading and occupying iraq"; the piece all but admits a second resolution would merely be political cover for blair et al. you have to understand that biden, like everyone else, had no expectation that iraq would ever meet the letter of these resolutions. his proposal was not one designed to avoid war, it was one designed to get out ahead of skittishness about invasion. see above because the iraq war became politically unpalatable over time and he wanted to be president congresspeople have to campaign and fundraise constantly; defense contractors give generously; the political cost of looking like a hippy p---- is high in many districts; the defense economy is f---ing massive. (think about, like, san diego: missiles are a jobs program.) you keep being like, "do you really think the american government would do something like that?" about x, y, z issue related to defense––the answer is almost always "yes, and they're not trying particularly hard to obscure that fact." i don't mean to be disrespectful here but your post is very naive.
Apr 5, 2021 In 2008 John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Duncan Hunter, Alan Keyes, Jim Gilmore, Tom Tancredo and Sam Brownback wanted to be President and they all campaigned on either staying the course of the Bush43 Administration on Iraq or surge more troops into Iraq and start a war with Iran, too. McCain said the Iraq War should go on for 100 years and sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" on the Senate floor... then won the Republican nomination. Turns out Joe Biden won the Vice Presidency and not Sarah Palin... so, we ended the Iraq War instead of keeping it going for 100 years and starting a new war in Iran and letting Osama bin Laden live peacefully in Pakistan. I know how disappointing that must have been for you... Joe Biden being your Vice President and all.
Apr 5, 2021 this is, of course, historically true: republican and democratic primary voters respond the same way on the same policy questions. next!
Apr 5, 2021 How are you going to attack the Biden/Secretary Pete Infrastructure package that will raise American wages twice as much as a $15 minimum wage and modernize America? Should I just wait to see how Tim Pool, Dave Rubin and Jimmy Dore attack it? Will you just keep talking about Obama and drones and the Iraq War?
