Oct 4, 2017

i think there's an important distinction between actual satire and doing something with a vague bit of ironic undertone.

there are a lot of things to unpack here. would fantano voice all of these opinions in real life, in polite company? maybe not. is that relevant? i don't think so.

the whole, weird, rightist online community (including the overtly political parts of the "alt-right," plus kids who just think typing "n----" is the most fun they can possibly have) loves, loves, loves to cling to the plausible deniability that comes with it being "only a joke." but that very clearly is a facade--these people are very clearly voicing what they believe.

i dunno. i think fantano both-sidesing everything on twitter and earnestly believing "social justice warriors" are a serious cultural problem, and then him going online and laughing about raping and murdering famous women, are not really the same thing--but they're not exactly unrelated. i.e.- he believes that the latter is a deserved counterpoint to the former, or he believes the former's (and broader society's) rejection of the latter is somehow authoritarian. neither is a very good argument, to my eyes at least.

@Charlie Work, i know you mentioned in this thread the idea that some of the tumblr kid rhetoric is ridiculous, ripe for parody, and delegitimizes broader cultural progressivism in some ways. of course it's ridiculous--but this isn't 2013. i think that, while those strains still exist with some teens and twenty-somethings, no one at any point on the political spectrum is taking them seriously or seeing them as cultural leaders. they're just kids who spend too much time online. (the counterpoint of course are the other kids who spend too much time online and call the jewish writer of this fader article a "kike" to prove how not-racist their boy is.) basically what i'm saying is that "social justice warriors" are not only not having a detrimental effect on society or discourse, but they aren't having an appreciable effect at all anymore. lots of their identity-based focus has been mainstreamed in a way that really stamps out the ridiculousness.

i guess the long and short of it is i've been annoyed by fantano's passive racism and half-baked politics for so long that him """"""ironically"""""" profiting off the alt-right, while not being a national crisis or anything, is unsurprising and SHOULD be pretty damaging to his career. of course, it won't be.

 

Oct 4, 2017

We're just talking, man. Nobody is trying to "dismantle" anybody here.

 

Oct 4, 2017

This article bends over backwards to omit the comedic intentions that were clearly telegraphed in most of these videos. Like when it suggests Fantano was alluding to lynching and not edgy people like Hopsin, ---, Tyler etc all having music videos where they hang themselves or other people. It's a parody that anybody with an ounce of awareness reads into properly.

Does something being "comedy" shield it from criticism? Of course not. There's tons of bad comedy that doesn't ride the line properly, but the article intently frames most of these examples in very, very dishonest ways.

 

Oct 4, 2017

Man, people really have amnesia as to what conservatives represented before the alt-right lol. The people who lost their s--- over South Park and Eminem 20 years ago were all old white churchgoers and s---. Humor is about breaking boundaries. It can do that to either side of the political spectrum.

 

Oct 3, 2017

racist comedy is fine, but poking fun at a fat person is not? wow enigma, you're off the meds today i beleive.

She wasn't actually a r--- victim.

 

Oct 3, 2017

nah but i reckon they could turn alt-right just by being exposed to the fader for a long period of time

 

Oct 3, 2017

Pretty disingenuous article if you're familiar with the channel in question and Anthony's politics. Seems like print media just taking another jab at YouTube. Giving Hyde and Akkad a platform is pretty egregious, but they fail to contextualize a lot of the stuff they bring up. You don't have to be alt-right to enjoy edgy comedy.

http://archive.is/xDzpf

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Oct 5, 2017

holy s--- people are defending this article lmao

i'm so out

 

Oct 4, 2017

If only Fantano was FUNNY!

 

Oct 4, 2017

The only way to really continue this line of discussion is to talk about the examples listed in the article which just sounds tedious. I think Louis CK's gay voice is as tasteless, unoriginal, and unfunny as Fantano did.

You're conflating him giving those people platforms with his attempt at comedy. The former is what I was referring to, mainly because we continue to disagree on the latter being offensive in the first place.

I've been following that channel for a year or two, and I don't have an opinion on Ezra apart from the ones drawn from reading that article. He's grasping at a lot of straws and more concerned with deriding his subject than anything. Omg, Fantano used a picture of shrek with "kek" on it. Omg Fantano showed a meme in the background that said the n word.

I think he's got a limited grasp on the genre and pretty narrow taste. He'd be a REAL HIP HOP guy who only owns Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory on vinyl if music wasn't his career. If you're going to insist he's a closeted racist, he's doing a pretty job considering the platform and praise he constantly gives black artists.

 

Oct 4, 2017

if u still watch this fa----s videos in 2017 just log off this site and kys

 

Oct 4, 2017

hmm. i understand this read on it. i'm not saying there's not an over-correction to socially palatable stuff in certain environments (esp. colleges). but we're talking about fantano here, so shouldn't we be talking on his terms? shouldn't we be debating whether feminists are really stifling free speech? i think what we've seen is that, while each faction (the tumblr left and the online right) draws a large part of its identity from being mad at the other, they actually--in a financial and rhetorical sense--are necessary for the other's existence. no free speech, as fantano would probably define it, is actually being stifled by "sjws." in fact, "sjw" outrage has created a cottage industry (and a presidency) around that exact speech.

 

Oct 4, 2017

lol this is like nothing. probs an aussie shitposter dropped this cause of gay marriage debate atm in Aus.i opened it just before and dead centre of screen was a;
"n***** hate thread" like with the hard 'er' at the end.
multiple threads about how shooting was falseflag/staged/all paid actors
earth is flat
and cause when you post your geo location is snagged and it posts a corresponding flag literally every non US flag post is "LOL AMERICA BAN UR GUNS LOL"

you can actually, not sure what country/ies though it happened to my mate in europe. He was in Belgium at the time I think, or somewhere in Germany. basically police questioned him and he is a liberal and is gay so was just like "yeah i was just curious to see it, not a nazi or anything" and they understood and said they just had to be sure sorta thing.

 

Oct 4, 2017

 

Oct 4, 2017

never thought i'd see the day where @Charlie Work completely dismantles @WPG in a verbal argument. @Papa Andy this is pricelss

 

Oct 4, 2017

nothing on the thatistheplan channel was even remotely offensive, the writer was reaching soooooooo far w the racism claim holy f---

and idk how any1 still thinks pepe = "alt right white supremacist"

 

Oct 3, 2017

what the f--- i cannot process this my brain needs more RAM or someth

 

Oct 3, 2017

lol i love how the left/sjw's hates me cause im black and libertarian

 

Oct 3, 2017

 

Oct 3, 2017

Disgusting article tf don’t even like fantano but how did a publication like fader approve this