Nov 16, 2015 Taylor's drop off from his intial TPAB rating/review to now is way more notable than me thinking a Drake project was good and is now forgettable Both NWTS and iyrt are somewhere in the 7s for me. I like NWTS as an overall project more, probably. All there is to it really.
Nov 16, 2015 I know opinions change and I've addressed the TPAB thing many times, but the difference is I'm not going on tirades about how bad Kendrick is now. If you're giving both those albums sevens that's fine, but the way you talk about drake these days makes it seem like you'd give them like a 5. I overrated IYRT too.
Nov 16, 2015 Sigh I keep having to say the same s--- over again re: Drake lol I. Don't. Hate. Him. However, he is nowhere near one of the best rappers alive. Which is how a majority of the forum treats him. Therefore I go out of my way to correct for that nonsense w some of my own nonsense My rating of IYRT is inconsequential. In that review itself I said Drake has been running in the same spot for a few years. Jets only good for remembering numbers tho lol
Nov 16, 2015 Who cares though? He still makes some of the most enjoyable music of any artist out right now. Loving Drake doesn't always have to be in the context of thinking he's the GOAT.
Nov 16, 2015 No he doesn't, you just basically have tunnel vision when it comes to drake There are literally a 100 other rappers this year that are making as "enjoyable" music as drake. What ur saying would be cool and all of drakes music was also objectively inscrutable. But it's not. So it comes down to personal taste. You love drake? Go for it. Just stop trying to assert that he's one of the best hip hop artists alive Hes relatively good, and hes one of the most popular, that's all.
Nov 16, 2015 Everyone made fun of me for thinking so since the day it dropped Unless that's what ur doing here
Nov 16, 2015 I don't have tunnel vision. I listen to a lot of artists and there's plenty of people who would agree with what I'm saying. I'll never reply to another one of your posts about Drake if you can name even 50 artists who've made better music than him in 2015. What ur saying would be cool and all of drakes music was also objectively inscrutable. But it's not. - Having trouble with this one. Inscrutable means impossible to understand or interpret, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. (Ironically)
Nov 16, 2015 This was a year where I felt Drake's presence more because of the amount of music he dropped rather than it being overwhelmingly good. Not saying s--- like Jungle isn't as good as anything he recorded before, but something feels off every time I wanna mention him as a contender for 2015's best rapper.
Nov 16, 2015 I meant that if his music held up better when dissected I'd say it was my personal bias that makes me underrate drake. But usually it doesn't. And u want me to name 50 artists JUST from this year to prove my point? When my point is that post take care Drake has barely improved?
Nov 16, 2015 @Poohdini i started to name artists but then i realized i dont even listen to close to 50 rappers actively lmaoo i need to tap in WPG or something for this my main point was that drake has the largest platform of any rap artist alive. obviously he's going to have hits. he's basically too big to fail. but that doesnt mean that out of all the material he's released recently, only a handful of tracks are actually impressive or breaking new territory. he's done more trend hopping than ever before this year, imo. but all that is ignored cuz "hey i just like drakes music man!" contrastingly, kanye puts out like 2 tracks and a few features and the same Drake stans are ready to disown kanye and act like he doesnt have 6 classics under his belt. it's selective. drake doesnt got judged by the same standards as everyone else anymore. and in the end it all leads to an extremely boring artist, at least for me. unless theres some sort of drama aka meek, or "if your reading this" dropping randomly etc.
Nov 16, 2015 This just gets back to my main point though. You're knocking him for "barely improving" on an objectively near classic album? Huh? I figured it would haha. But too big to fail? Look what happened to Eminem. People get built up to be torn down, happens in sports all the time. If he starts making bad music, what makes you think his real fans (ie the middle ground of people who don't stan and aren't haters) wouldn't speak up about it? As far as his 2015 work is concerned, he's definitely tried his hand at a few different styles, but let's look into the context. IYRTITL was a mixtape, most likely forced to be released as an album by some combination of Apple & Cash Money. WATTBA is basically a Future tape featuring Drake, recorded in ATL, with Future's producers. He had highs & lows, but 30 for 30 was great. None of his singles this year are slated to be on Views. I just don't like the way people are generalizing him as an artist based off of 2015 and dismissing his run during 2010-14 as "barely improving".
Nov 16, 2015 wwait wait wait wait what? which album is "objectively near classic?" please dont say NWTS or IYRT....Take Care yeah is objectively near classic. but thats it. um, eminem can put out 30 s--- verses and tracks but if he puts out "kings never die" and its marginally good -- he's the "best rapper alive" w/ everything else being brushed under the rug Now drake isnt anywhere near as inconsistent as Eminem. But like I said, he's definitely too big to fail. We're talking about the public POV -- he could most definitely put out his worst album to date and take no real hit from it. w/ Drake its the idea of dismissing his stagnancy when talking about him as an artist...not that his music is noticeably bad now or anything. It's noticeably dipped in overall quality since TC but not enough to hate him. But his standing has only risen since TC for the general public Since TC what are his major improvements? IYRT is a "mixtape." So is Monster and Slime Season. so what? its like an hour plus project full of s--- that just blends together half the time. Drake is legitimately BAD on a MAJORITY of WATTBA. This is a two way street man if u want me to cut drake some slack, you have to have actually be critical and own up to when he's tone deaf (which is a majority of WATTBA. even 30 for 30, although from a technical pov its better than the rest of his contributions to WATTBA)
Nov 16, 2015 Yeah I was referring to TC. I love NWTS but don't think I can put it there. As far as Em goes, his stans will say that. I'm a fan of his but he's been awful for like 5 years. Me saying highs & lows is sort of critical. I hate him on Big Rings, but would probably love that s--- if I heard it in a club or something. I think Future killed him on Live From The Gutter (this for my dogs that go Karruche with the chopsticks is a GOAT line though). He's just kind of there on tracks like Diamonds Dancing, Plastic Bag & Change Locations. Besides 30 for 30, Digital Dash & I'm The Plug were clearly his best verses.
Nov 17, 2015 I don't think he hit his peak yet, it'll probably come with Views. He's better at making music now than he was then. The Take Care era is probably just confused as his peak since that's when the dramatic switch up came, and everyone became a fan. We'll see what Views reveals though - he's either creatively ascended to this rumoured "switch up" or he's forcing it. If it's the latter and Views is wack, then I'd probably say this right now is his peak.
Nov 17, 2015 and guys, music may not be entirely subjective but enjoyment certainly is. so @Poohdini got u there @Narsh
