Eminem When Encore leaked

Oldboy · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

R.A.W. said

There was a track named Chrisopher Reeves on the original tracklist.
(I am too lazy to find the link right now, but you can use the wayback-machine to view eminem.com in the time before Encore got released and see for yourself.)
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it was renamed to Rain Man

CJ Poe · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
I remember when Encore leaked everyone thought it was a "joke" and was leaked on purpose to throw off everyone, and that the "real" album would be amazing..lol

but... yea.

Oldboy · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

Bleed said

I remember when Encore leaked everyone thought it was a "joke" and was leaked on purpose to throw off everyone, and that the "real" album would be amazing..lol

but... yea.
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to be fair, the real album was gonna be amazing

CJ Poe · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

Koolo said

to be fair, the real album was gonna be amazing
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Yep, I agree

Notalius · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
even with the leaks it would have been average as f---

crazybeats · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

M Solo said

crazybeats said

I can give a few details from that time frame. For months the song Mosh was promoted as a big backlash against George Bush but it didn't get released when it was supposed to infact it was released AFTER the elections and obviously was nowhere near as vicious as it was made out to be which led to rumours of Eminem being made to re-record the song. It was also earlier in the year that Eminem came under fire from the leaked We As Americans song where he mentioned the President and supposedly wanted him dead.

I remember Jason on D12World talking about when Just Lose It was released and he called a friend to ask about it and the friend said is that the one where he goes ah ah ahhhhh in the hook and he laughed. Obviously people had heard the song long before it was released. Obviously they found it funny.

In the Winter of 2004, December, shortly after Encore was released Eminem went to the UK and appeared on the Tim Westwood show and filmed a performance for Like Toy Soldiers for Top Of The Pops, which was a big music show at the time and Eminem said on the Time Westwood show that he recorded 20 songs for Encore and the only thing he didn't like was the fact that you could only fit 80 minutes on a CD and he wishes he could have put them all on there but he put 3 on a bonus disc. Now minus the skits, there are 15 tracks on Encore. In 2005 Curtain Call was released and it was said in various interviews that the only NEW song on there was When I'm Gone and Eminem went into detail about it, Jimmy Iovine didn't like it, he felt like it was just a Mockingbird Part 2 and at that point Encore was only a year old so he felt like there was nothing new but Eminem explained that this is him telling the story in a different way, the big selling point was this NEW song. If Eminem really did record 20 songs for Encore, and 15 made the main album, 3 made the bonus CD, that makes a total of 18, the other songs on Curtain Call that were not previously released were Fack and Shake That and I think all fans would agree that the sound of Fack and Shake That, the production, the content, the overall vibe..........would easily fit on the Encore album so when you take the 15 songs on the Encore album, you add the 3 bonus tracks and Fack and Shake That, it gives you 20 songs. There is no doubt in my mind that Eminem gave fans the Encore album he wanted in 2004, the other 2 were simply kept back and ended up on Curtain Call. That is your Encore album. I know many of you wont believe it, you'll find some kind of conspiracy to back it up but what was released is what he wanted you to hear. People need to get this idea out of their head that there is hidden classics locked away in the vaults. It doesn't make sense to hide good songs. It makes good business sense to release the best music you have.

DId he release some songs to annoy his hardcore fans? No doubt. He references it quite often. There is one line in Big Weenie that slaps you right across the face with it. Absolutely he was angry at his fans that only want him to talk about being poor and hating his Mom and being sad and angry at the world. The truth is YEARS BEFORE Encore was even dreamt up Eminem was a self made millionaire. He was a millionaire by the year 2000. There was no need for him to rap about being angry at the world anymore and radio stations in Detroit not playing his music and whatever else he could be mad at. Fans just wanted him to stay that way because their life HAD NOT changed and it carries on to this day. You see the hate with Relapse, Recovery, MMLP2, Shady XV. You have those older fans that are still having a hard time in life, maybe a bad home life, maybe not a lot of money in the household, they have it hard and they absolutely will not accept that their rap hero Eminem is now a millionaire. It's the same with Dre and Chronic 2001, you have a lot of people in the hood still bumpin that album because that's what they ASPIRE to be, they want to be Dre, they want the big tall women with the big boobs out, the smoking of blunts and drinking beer and driving fast cars. It's like The Fast And The Furious movies. You have people sitting in the cinema watching it, dreaming, man............i wish that was my life. Driving the fast cars in the sunshine, nice women, shooting guns and getting paid. That's what goes on in people's minds and it's fake. It's fiction. It's not reality but it takes over their mind and when that happens it takes over their life and at that point the only thing left is anger and bitterness.
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Didn't bother reading past this in the book you posted but it's absolutely false. The instrumental was played during the VMA's and there were rumblings it was a song called "Where I'm Standing" but other than that nobody knew a f---ing thing about it until it premiered on like the 19th of October. The title, content, ect... nobody had a clue about any of that until the song was heard. Cool fabricated story though, lying fa----.
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Well if M Solo says it then it must be true lol.

Krazee D · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

Koolo said

it was renamed to Rain Man
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Thank you. He renamed it because Reeves died at that time. Also, Mosh was released two weeks before the election.

Machiavelli · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

Koolo said

to be fair, the real album was gonna be amazing
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What was the original tracklist ?

R.A.W. · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

Koolo said

it was renamed to Rain Man
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Doubt it, because they are both included in this tracklist, everything else ended up on the final album:

See for yourself (open this link, then press the "Records"-button:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041210093228/http://www.eminem.com/

CSW · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
interesting

iFlawless · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
offtop : i remember when Recovery tracklist leaked, everybody thought that is a joke.

JMG · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
love encore.. i dont see why he would make s-----y songs just because some leaked. people are in denial.. did just lose it leak early? no eminem put that as his lead single. he made a--- like that a single. he was just f----- up and thought the s--- was good. same reason songs like beautiful pain or groundhog day is on the bonus and dosent replace the s-----y songs on mmlp2.

Swizz · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
This idea that Encore was going to be an amazing album until a few good songs leaked is total fiction kept alive by stans who want to make excuses for Em. We As Americans, Love You More, etc came out in November 2003, a full YEAR before Encore was released. Even if you buy into this idea that Em couldn't have included the leaked songs on the album (which isn't true, there are countless examples of songs leaked far in advance that still ended up on an album), he had a f---ing year to get his act together and write some halfway decent songs. Instead, we got songs about a puppet dog and "weenies". Pathetic album, no idea why anyone would still want to make excuses for it a decade later

CSW · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

Swizz said

This idea that Encore was going to be an amazing album until a few good songs leaked is total fiction kept alive by stans who want to make excuses for Em. We As Americans, Love You More, etc came out in November 2003, a full YEAR before Encore was released. Even if you buy into this idea that Em couldn't have included the leaked songs on the album (which isn't true, there are countless examples of songs leaked far in advance that still ended up on an album), he had a f--king year to get his act together and write some halfway decent songs. Instead, we got songs about a puppet dog and "weenies". Pathetic album, no idea why anyone would still want to make excuses for it a decade later
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so have you and @M Solo gotten a place together yet? we're all wondering!

Swizz · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

csw621 said

so have you and @M Solo gotten a place together yet? we're all wondering!
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haha! Homophobia always makes me giggle! (I'm 11 years old)

CSW · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

Swizz said

haha! Homophobia always makes me giggle! (I'm 11 years old)
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you misunderstand, I completely support your lifestyle!

FreeAgent · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

crazybeats said

Fans just wanted him to stay that way because their life HAD NOT changed and it carries on to this day. You see the hate with Relapse, Recovery, MMLP2, Shady XV. You have those older fans that are still having a hard time in life, maybe a bad home life, maybe not a lot of money in the household, they have it hard and they absolutely will not accept that their rap hero Eminem is now a millionaire. It's the same with Dre and Chronic 2001, you have a lot of people in the hood still bumpin that album because that's what they ASPIRE to be, they want to be Dre, they want the big tall women with the big boobs out, the smoking of blunts and drinking beer and driving fast cars. It's like The Fast And The Furious movies. You have people sitting in the cinema watching it, dreaming, man............i wish that was my life. Driving the fast cars in the sunshine, nice women, shooting guns and getting paid. That's what goes on in people's minds and it's fake. It's fiction. It's not reality but it takes over their mind and when that happens it takes over their life and at that point the only thing left is anger and bitterness.
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Ah yes. The good ole you're just bitter Eminem has more money and has a better life than you and yours is so s---' card Stans play when there is criticism about him.

crazybeats · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
I'm just saying it the way i see it.

Krabby Patty · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015
Encore is his worst album ever. With the leaked songs in place of the removed ones, it might be a little better then Infinite.

SHUDEYE · Jul 28, 2015

Jul 28, 2015

crazybeats said

d--- straight. The same reason why black people listen to Chronic 2001 and it's mostly coloured people that go to movies like the Fast and The Furious series.

In their minds they aspire for that lifestyle. The black Americans love the idea of Dr Dre because it's all about the money, getting out of their ghettos, being around sexy women and taking drugs and saying F the Police. Millions of black Americans want that kind of life but they don't have the talent or drive to go for it. It's just a fake fantasy.

Same with the movies. You see the nice weather, all the brown skinned mexican girls and the black girls with the big lips and the big boobs and the men think ooohhh.........wish my life was like that. I wish i could drive cars like that and s---t guns and make lots of money but again..........it's just a fake fantasy, it can never be real.

And when we turn it round to Eminem who has a predominantly white fanbase, I've seen Eminem enough times live in person to know that. I could probably count on both hands the number of black people I saw lol. They love his SSLP/MMLP/TES albums because he basically had the same life as them, and by them a mean A TINY minority of fans online but in this case it's the small majority with the loudest voice. And what happens with these white fans and I would even say this applies to people like M Solo and pretty much all mods here because they can tell you all the fairy tales they want, the reason this forum exists is because of Eminem, no other reason. These people have had hard lifes. Some will have lived a hard life with no money or one parent or a family member is an alocholic, or d--- dealer, maybe they had sexual abuse when they were younger, maybe they get bullied at school or they have mental issues. All kinds of reasons. That's how they related to Eminem. The problem started right at Eminem's peak, even with The Eminem Show which came out in mid 2002, that album was in the works for an entire year prior, even before the MMLP came out, Eminem was a rich man. His subjects were fairly old.

Anyways Eminem was smart enough on Encore to know this, hence the line in Big Weenie, " I know you'd all rather see me laying in a ball crying, tweaked out of my mind dying". A reference to one of the Marshall Mathers LP album covers where he is sitting on the floor in a not so pleasant place. Even in 2004 with Encore amongst all the drug taking he was smart enough to know what people wanted from him was more of the old stuff but his life wasn't like that anymore. It was nothing like that. The same thing happened with Relapse in 2009 which is a concept album. There is very little outside of 2 songs that has any mention of his real life or his family. Obviously he's been advised since then hence Recovery, MMLP2, Shady XV where he goes back and it just comes across as phony and false and forced and fake. Because it is.

And that is my take on it, that is the truth IMO. The reason the small majority of hardcore fans online hated on Encore, Relapse, Recovery, MMLP2, Shady XV and will forever hate on everything else he does until the day he dies is because he is no longer the artist they fell in love with. You all know it's true. What have any of you done in your real life? Eminem was a millionaire 1 year after The Slim Shady LP dropped. Eminem told you with Big Weenie in 2004. He knows what you want. You want him to constantly make songs threatening his wife and threatening his Mom and threatening other rappers and being angry and bitter and and and and.............he's a MILLIONAIRE lol. Life changes when you're living in a decent house and you can have anything you want, you can give your kids as much of anything they want. Eminem moved on and made a life for himself. It's just a shame his fans from 1999/2000/2002 can't do the same. It's a shame all of you can't go out and make good money and make something of yourself. Look at M Solo, a person i've been reading online since 2004, look at Boxden, i've been on their forums since 2003, same people, same admins running it. Ain't nothing changed lol. They don't do anything important in life. No one answers to M Solo, no one wakes up in the morning and whatever his real name is thinks "oh I wonder how he is today". That's 11 years now lol. 11 years doing the same thing day in day out, online on the internet, in rap forums with the same tired gimmick every day. You'd think in 11 years they woulda got married or something, get a woman, some kids, have a nice life instead they online everyday lol.
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f--- you're bitter. You sound like some of the people you're describing.

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