Jan 10, 2017 These particular rappers you mentioned appear to kids and teenagers majority of the time. Don't talk about a whole genre of music if your only focus is on mainstream or popular artists.
Jan 10, 2017 When I listen to a tape like summer songs by lil yatchy, (i will use him as an example cause its the only project ive listened the whole way through,) there seems to be no effort put into the vocals, they literally seem like one shot "freestyles" with him going in the booth and just trying what works, not to say theres anything wrong with that cause thats how some songs are made but there doesn't seem to be a level of refinement in their song ideas. To me it just sounds like a bunch of unfinished songs. I see what you're saying, but at the end of the day it's still being listened to people outside of ATL, and to people outside of ATL who aint about dat purp, it sounds like mumbles, it is what it is. Its not blaming the artist for anything, its just labelling them, which happens all the time. it is what it is. But if i take your perspective, and say mumble rap aint a thing and its just a bunch of ATL rappers, whats your view on their standard of lyricism then? since here we're putting them in the same pool of other rappers like kendrick, cole, pac, nas etc. or do you just not see them as rappers Dunno about cyredes but to me i put people like future, desiigner, uzi vert, thug, yatchy as the forefront of "mumble rap" Yes I do, but i don't live in america, so my outside is kinda different to yours probably. I mean you could argue that a genre of music is led by its popular artists no? I mean thats why they're popular in the first place, cause the genre loves them. Interesting answer, I agree with a lotta that ey, especially with the rise of the underground artists thanks to the internet! I see where you going with the different applications of autotune but what do you think about newer reverb applications? imo its being used pretty vastly already
Jan 10, 2017 That wasn't me that said the mumble/ATL thing haha. But in regards to the comparison lyricism wise I almost see the best of both sides equal. For what someone a Thugger might lack in multis he makes up for in flow, wordplay and metaphors imo. Again, at the core of it I'm definitely more a fan of the music you like than majority of the new rappers.
Jan 10, 2017 I was the one who made the post about ATL slang/Mumble rap, don't know how Shudeye got quoted. I don't really know how to respond to this because it supposes two things that I would disagree with: One, that these rappers are bad at writing, and two, that being "lyrical" is an inherently positive thing. Maybe Future isn't shoehorning a thousand multis into every line, but he's one of the most evocative rappers of this decade and is versatile in a way that's beyond somebody like Cole's comprehension. Being "real" and littering your album with 90's throwbacks is all well and good, but it's meaningless when you're dropping lines like "I let you feel like you the s--- but you can't out fart me" on a frequent basis.
Jan 10, 2017 music is going down the drain . Like I listen to Future, Young Thug etc. But I was going to cinema the other day and I was just thinking about today's music and I said " like is this music really going to be that good 20 years from now? Is this still going to sound good that many years later?" I listened to a lot of young thug projects and future projects (they are my two favorite performers now ) and I've been listening to them since circa mid 2014 and I really like their turn up songs and all that but that sounds limited. It doesn't have a classic feel to it. It's limited, it can only go as far as it can and that's for a short period of time.
Jan 10, 2017 Are they really covering different topics tho? I disagree, mainsteam hip hops always gonna be about b------s, money and power. See thats where I dont get it, yes it can be seen as a new style that contrasts lyric focused tracks that were used to, but just because its new doesnt mean its good, in this case the mainstream seems to have an opposite pov. Yeah i have no qualms with it being the catalyst of growth but im jus sayin now it just seems like producer heavy rather than artist heavy, i.e if your producer aint good you aint making it. but if you got a good producer, you can almost chuck any one on there and he's good. Sure this could have always been the case but it seems to be even more so now. yeah dunno what happened there with the misquoting.
Jan 10, 2017 It's so weird me and @Charlton01 are havin this discussion when we're prob gonna walk past each other at work in an hour
Jan 10, 2017 this is a particular sore spot for me at the moment since i find that most of the production the new wave of rappers is on is awful, or at best, really mediocre like, the vast majority of it comes across like something that could be produced in about 5 seconds (exaggerating obv, but still). sounds generic, repetitive etc., and like it was made with the same f---ing vsts/drum packs everyone else is currently using and it's just incredibly simple and bland sounding to me as a result... and that makes it hard as s--- for me to get into this new wave of rappers when i don't like much of the production, and the flip side of that -the thing that could save their music for me- just isn't there because their delivery is monotone half the time and/or slurred/mumbled and/or sung off key and/or autotuned to s--- so i'm left with a ton of new music/artists that i can't engage with because i don't like how it sounds pretty much across the board
Jan 10, 2017 Are we talking about the music or the popularity of the music? I've never let the popularity of an artist dictate whether their music represents an entire genre. Are yatchty and uzi vert representives of the genre? Sure in their own way.
Jan 10, 2017 Fair points, and i'm open to that, one of the things i absolutely love about music is that there are no rules, for better or for worse depends on your perspective, sure. But yes I think these rappers are bad at writing lyrics, not songs, lyrics, the stance I have on the music I'm talking about is that they kinda sound like a bunch of song ideas artists have before they lay down the lyrics, i.e when they're still working out the cadence/flow/melody of the tracks. To me they just sound like unfinished song ideas, but whos to say that format isnt good enough. doesn't cut it for me, but thats just me. Though maybe future was a bad example as he pioneered that sub-genre imo and he does it better than anyone else. My qualm is the branchoffs that are copying that style and doing a s--- job of it imo. Well the popularity of an artist means that the genre likes what those artists do that in turn influences what will sell in the future to an extent, is the way I see it, sure it's not 100% definitive but it definitely has influence
Jan 10, 2017 No idea is original, so of course influence exists. that doesn't mean MF DOOM or Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) is gonna start rapping like Lil yatchty or migos.
Jan 10, 2017 Anyone else that hip hop news is nearly at an all time low since I have been following it. No many new songs or much new stories. Many artists seem to be taking a break. We need some new Thugger songs.
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