Serious Do YOU plan to get the COVID vaccine?

Started by RetiredAccount, Dec 14, 2020, in Life Add to Reading List

Will you get the COVID vaccine?

  1. No I do not plan to get the vaccine.

    19 vote(s)
    17.8%
  2. Yes I will get the vaccine as soon as it's available

    52 vote(s)
    48.6%
  3. I will wait to get the vaccine

    20 vote(s)
    18.7%
  4. I'm unsure

    16 vote(s)
    15.0%
  1. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Jan 5, 2022
    My big question(s) would be: what percentage of those who were “fully vaccinated” received a booster shot? If none, how long ago was their most recent shot? Waining immunity is definitely a contributor here & I think a lot of health institutions are lagging in terms of redefining “fully vaccinated” as including a booster shot once eligible.

    i definitely think more can be done, at least here in the U.S. in terms of providing far more testing; providing masks to teachers & other essential workers; making it mandatory to be fully vaccinated in order to fly domestically etc. At this point though, I do think COVID-19 is here to stay. It’s not ideal but it’s the cards we got. We have to figure out a way to continue to function as a society with it.
     
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  2. hargydon
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    Jan 5, 2022
    It would be interesting if we got more nuance in the data, to evaluate those points as they’re interesting to me too but it’s not like the vaccines create total immunity, like I said it needs to be in conjunction with other measures. The study was done at the very start of December so only a portion of the elderly had received the booster but again it doesn’t give us enough data of the hospitalisation to analyse the gap between double vaccinated & wained off efficacy to accurately determine that point.

    I also think the masks offered (if at all) need to be upgraded to the ones that actually protect you more efficiently than the cloth ones, something covered in more conspiracy & cultural/political indifferences instead of science, another major problem with leaving it up to individual responsibility. That’s why Biden’s whole ‘no federal action’ backtrack policy is so incredibly dangerous in a society filled with misinformation & dogma.

    As Omicron becomes the dominant strain I’m interested to see how the data changes in response to this.

    All in all, my point is, preventative action is better than no action & vaccines are merely a part of it, not a solution as it doesn’t prevent transmission, if it did, like the media has been flooded with lying to the public, this would be a completely different conversation.
     
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  3. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Jan 6, 2022
    Well I think this where you & I may disagree a bit, I think vaccines are a huge part of the solution here. Not just in terms of reducing transmission but saving lives in general. And even say the federal government did step up its efforts to thwart transmission (which it should) its very limited in what it can do because the U.S. has a federalist system of government. That’s been a large part of why addressing the pandemic has been so difficult in the U.S. You have some states with strict COVID-19 restrictions (mask/vaccine mandates) & others with none at all. The most we can hope for is that omicron becomes the dominant variant for a while & overtime, more people continue to develop antibodies via both vaccination & infection. At some point, I’d hope we can reach an equilibrium point where X people get infected by COVID every year but it’s a manageable for hospitals/medical centers & a vast majority of people recover. Again, not ideal but realistically, that’s probably best case scenario.
     
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  4. hargydon
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    Jan 6, 2022
    It does in individuals to a certain extent but its efficacy is constantly being reduced due to time constraints & rolling out a constant booster for a strain that isn’t in circulation, & because of the constant transmission, the variant lottery is always producing new variants ahead of vaccine science production & rollout. It’s just an inefficient way of dealing with the situation.

    Regarding the federal/state matter, what about the supremacy clause? Can’t the federal government override state law when it sees fit, for example in a global public health crisis? It seems like more of a bureaucratic excuse than an actual issue. That also doesn’t stop nationwide rollout of testing & so on, look at how they reacted to demands before, laughing in the press’s face at the mere thought of pushing tests out & now they’re doing it, but only <2 tests per capita which is useless. Seems more of a case of they know how rampant the transmission is & the ecological consequences for everyone testing positive forcing nationwide worker isolation which would inevitably lead to societal breakdown because they aren’t willing to prepare. Biden promised a federal response on his election campaign. We’ve been in this for 2 years & it feels like we haven’t even started reacting to it yet.

    Plus this herd immunity strategy people are speaking of with Omicron not only pushes risks of long-Covid to full populations but again is asking for a new variant to pop up causing us to go in yet another circle.
     
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  5. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    Right but the additional measures of masking + testing don’t exactly move the needle that much in terms of preventing transmission either. I agree it helps but it still remains the #1 way to reduce your risk of contracting COVID-19 is getting vaccinated & getting a booster when eligible. Everything else (masking, testing, social distancing etc.) can help & we should be doing it—I just don’t know if it would make the difference you think it would make.

    There’s a couple issues with your stance re: supremacy clause, for one, states rights are within our constitution. This isn’t a bureaucratic excuse, it’s a legitimate legal issue of how much power the federal government has & how much can it step over against state/local government authority. With a 6-3 conservative-majority Supreme Court that has already shown a particular wariness towards COVID-19 restrictions regarding churches, it’s not exactly a fight I think the Biden administration would be favored to win. That on top of the political make up of Congress. There’s no way Congress could pass a bill mandating mask wearing indoors nationwide for example. Republicans wouldn’t support it; I don’t even think all Democrats would support it; courts would definitely critique its constitutionality & even if by some wild chance it still becomes law, state governments wouldn’t be obligated to enforce it. Similar to how marijuana is illegal on the federal level, dozens of states have legalized the drug & therefore don’t enforce the federal law on marijuana.

    A new variant is going to pop up regardless. The U.S. could go on lockdown/quarantine for the next 6 months & a new variant would pop up somewhere, on some other continent & eventually arrive in the U.S. That’s just the reality of our situation now. We have to take protective measures but also understand that this isn’t going away any time soon. Honestly, I’ve come to terms with the fact that at some point, in the next couple years, I’ll probably get COVID. And yeah, that sucks, but I don’t think there’s anything anybody can do to really thwart that reality.
     
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  6. Michael Myers
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    Jan 6, 2022
    Just got my booster, waiting in the observation room now
     
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  7. joeyp363
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    Jan 6, 2022
    It’s literally just a cold. I’ve had it twice. Idk what the big fuss is about.
     
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  8. Slyk
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    Slyk God made a prophet.

    Jan 6, 2022
    made a poll here:
    https://forum.sectioneighty.com/poll-have-you-had-covid.t327191
     
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  9. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    booster shots can make a significant difference as I expected.
     
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  10. Australia
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    So you need 3 vax shots and a booster for it to even work??? And Moderna CEO is now saying that you need 4 shots of Moderna lmfao

    Do you also wear 3 suits of chain mail and an electric shark repellent when you go to the beach?
     
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  12. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    We literally do this with the flu shot every year. & people anticipated from the very beginning that booster shots were likely going to be needed. I’m not sure why people are acting all surprised by this lol.
     
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  13. Australia
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    "We" lol no we don't the only people getting the flu shot got it once and never gone back for their booster cause they don't care and it's not all over the news everywhere you look
     
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    "The man who reads nothing at all is better informed than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."

    Enigma proves the truth of this statement every time he weighs in on any political topic. What an insufferable ignorant windbag.
     
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  15. reservoirGod
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    Jan 10, 2022
    @0 likes believes whatever this guy says.

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    Styxhexenhammer used to make good videos before he sold out.

     
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  17. Pandemic
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  18. reservoirGod
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    No. He never made any good videos.

    You reject him now because you are attached to other grifters at the moment.
     
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    The video I posted is a respectable take on the climate change issue.
    I unsubbed from him after he became a partisan shitlord like you, at which point he could no longer speak on polarized issues without sounding like a complete charlatan. The difference is though, in his case he's making money doing it, while you're just whittling your life away as the village a--- of a hip hop forum (outside the Eminem section, where Marsh fills that role). Not that I would have it any other way. You're hysterical, res (though maybe not in the way you'd like to be).
     
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  20. reservoirGod
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    It's an extremely bad take on climate change.

    He has always been partisan and cringe.

    I have more money than he does.
     
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