UFOs / Aliens / Extraterrestrial Life - Do you believe?

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  1. Chuny
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    Chuny Music To Be Murdered By Side B was Mixed by GOD

    Aug 24, 2021
    The past weekend I watched two documentaries on this topic.
    One of them was UFO 2021 by JJ Abrams: https://www.sho.com/ufo
    And the other one was Top Secret UFO Projects: Declassified on Netflix

    While I've always believed they do exist, after watching those I was left with 0 doubt.

    I also watched the BOB LAZAR: AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS Documentary on Netflix a while ago, but this one is a little more controversial and leaves more room for doubt, in my opinion.

    I know this thread will probably turn into a meme fest or trolling contest very quickly.
    But I'd really appreciate your thoughts on the subject.
     
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  2. Tom Brady
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    Of course. I think you’re either close minded, stupid or scared if you think we’re alone. The official Bob Lazar doc on Netflix didn’t really to it for me tbh. I enjoyed and got more out of his interviews and other mini docs about him. If he’s lying, it’s one of the longest, greatest cons ever.

    Don’t think I’ve ever seen that Abrams one tho. Def gotta peep that.
     
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  3. Winter
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    Aug 24, 2021
    There’s definitely life out there somewhere, it’s impossible that we’re alone in the universe, but I don’t believe that we’ve ever crossed over
     
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    It’s definitely possible. The question is, does it matter to us right now? If they exist and are that advanced that they’re capable of interstellar travel, why aren’t we capable of it? Are they willing to give us that knowledge? But then these questions lead into conspiracy theories which then lead to more questions. Overall, it’s possible they exist but if they’re not going to reveal themselves then who cares.
     
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  5. pluto✰
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    well said
     
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  6. jankland
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    jankland Consistently Based

    Aug 24, 2021
    It feels like it's statistically impossible for them not to exist
     
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    Fermis paradox
     
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    eslie Kean is a veteran investigative reporter who has spent over 20 years delving into the once-taboo topic of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). UFOs are now established as real, she says. Furthermore, despite observations using highly advanced technologies, we have no idea what they are or where they come from.


    While Kean has never seen a UFO, her own close encounters with hundreds of government documents, aviation reports, radar data and case studies with corroborating physical evidence, as well as interviews of dozens of high-level officials and aviation witnesses from around the world, have bolstered her belief that UFOs are worthy of scientific study. "I believe we may have finally arrived at the threshold of a new paradigm," Kean said.

    UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record (Harmony Books/The Crown Publishing Group, 2010). More recently, she co-authored eye-opening articles in The New York Times that focused on sightings of UFOs, which the U.S. military has recently rebranded as unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAPs), and the government programs to investigate them. She also wrote "UFOs: Shifting the narrative from threat to science," an article published on The Debrief earlier this month.


    Space.com recently caught up with Kean to discuss what she thinks is in the offing concerning UFOs, what stands in the way of the scientific community's taking on the challenge of discovering if any UFOs are extraterrestrial, and more.

    Space.com: How do you best characterize where we are today, given your NY Times co-authored piece that catapulted things into public view?

    Kean: We have seen a major sea change since our December 2017 New York Times story that included two Navy videos. The government has acknowledged the reality of UFOs and the fact that they impact national security, and that alone is a major shift. We have more Navy videos of unexplained objects, an official UAP Task Force, and most recently a government report on UAP which was requested by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

    The report stated there is no evidence that UAP are ours, Russian or Chinese. It forced many stove-piped agencies to pool information for the first time and gained further attention for UAP from policymakers, with some calling for open congressional hearings. Even before the June 2021 UAP report, high level officials have made statements as to the need for further investigation of these unexplained objects exhibiting technology beyond what we possess. The taboo against taking the subject seriously is diminishing, and scientists have come out of the woodwork advocating for studies on UAP in Scientific American. These events are unprecedented. And the media can't get enough of UFOs. Recently, for the first time, UFOs were covered by both The New Yorker and the CBS show, "60 Minutes."

    Space.com: Do you believe the "UAP" focus is the same as decades of "UFO" reports? Are they one and the same or not, in your view?


    Kean: I don't think there's any difference in how the reports describe the phenomenon. Government documents such as the famous 1947 Twining Memo describe the behavior of the objects in the same way as later documents did, and in the same way they are reported today. The difference is that today we have better cameras, radar, satellite and sensor technology than we had decades ago, increasing the specificity of data on UAP (which remains classified).


    The term "UAP" has gradually become the preferred term used by the government and military, because it encompasses a broader range of phenomena than the term "UFO." But since "UAP" came into use primarily to avoid the stigma and baggage associated with "UFO," there really isn't much difference between the two other than the impression the acronym creates. One seems more cultural, the other more official. "UAP" removes any association with conspiracy theories, or shows like "The X-Files," or the fringe element. Even so, the term "UFO" has been around forever and has a wider appeal. In my reporting I use the terms interchangeably, depending on the context.

    Space.com: Given your long and productive research on the UFO issue, what has surprised you the most? Similarly, what has disappointed you the most?

    Kean: Especially in the early years of my reporting, I was most surprised by the lack of curiosity among scientists and policymakers about UFOs. I was also surprised by how entrenched and powerful the stigma was in the media and in the culture in general. It mystified me why just about everyone was not impacted by the potential implications of the evidence for this phenomenon. It didn't take long for me to realize that most people in a position to make a difference were uninformed and understandably had other priorities. Still, given how fascinated I was with this and given what it might mean if even one UFO was extraterrestrial, I found this apathy and disinterest hard to understand.

    Many times I was amazed that accomplished investigative journalists did not jump on board and take a deep dive into this subject. As a freelancer, I couldn't open the same doors as The Washington Post, The New York Times or The New Yorker. Yet they were essentially silent. That was frustrating to me. But of course it has all changed now.

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    I was also frustrated that there was no government agency in place to receive reports from police officers, commercial pilots and other credible witnesses, and to conduct investigations when necessary. You can imagine my surprise when I learned about the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) program in 2017. However, being limited only to military cases and being secret, it was not exactly what I had been hoping for.


    Space.com: With all the chatter now about UAPs, the UAP preliminary report, etc., where are we now, and what's next?


    Kean: We have made tremendous progress in the last three and a half years. There was a lot of momentum which built up prior to the release of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) UAP report on June 25, and we have to keep the momentum going. But when things get quiet, I am aware that there is still a lot going on behind the scenes. For our next steps, we need to have a well-funded task force with expanded staff that can access information from all government agencies and consolidate it. The best experts from many fields need to analyze this data. We need to understand the root of the intelligence failure which has stymied a meaningful government investigation into UAP. Task force reports for the public and Senate committees need to continue to be published on a regular basis. And of course I believe that much more information should be released to the public.


    There are videos and photographs in DOD [Department of Defense] files which are vastly superior to the ones we have seen so far. I think the public has a right to this and other data, as stated by [former U.S.] Senator Harry Reid who initiated the [AATIP] government program. The secrecy is excessive here, despite the need for some classification on grounds of national security.


    Perhaps we will be fortunate enough to see open congressional hearings on UAP. And eventually, we may be issued a definitive statement that these objects are not Russian or Chinese. It has been established that they are not ours, but the door on UAP being technology from a foreign adversary has not been completely closed. Some in a position to know have stated that these objects are not created by Russia or China. That needs to be stated as fact in one of the subsequent written reports. Perhaps one day those two countries will join with the United States to acknowledge this reality. At that point we will have crossed a line into a new world.

     
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    yes and we're their entertainment
     
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    Aug 24, 2021
    I don’t believe we are alone. It would s--- if we were the only/most intelligent species out there.
     
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  11. Chuny
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    I strongly advice you to watch the two documentaries I mentioned in the OP.
    Some of the questions you ask here are answered in them.
     
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  12. Michael Myers
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    Aug 25, 2021
    Gonna watch the ufo one on Netflix next week! Watched a lot of docs lately
     
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  13. Chuny
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    Chuny Music To Be Murdered By Side B was Mixed by GOD

    Aug 25, 2021
    Me too!
    Watched a few about Hitler before these UFO ones.
     
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    pluto✰ simulation theory

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    not tryna get tooo deep rn but a LOT of ufos imo ARE ours
     
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  15. Chuny
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    Chuny Music To Be Murdered By Side B was Mixed by GOD

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    Supposedly there's plenty of evidence about extraterrestrial life but the Government agencies won't share or disclose them with the public.
     
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  16. Chuny
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    Chuny Music To Be Murdered By Side B was Mixed by GOD

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    What do you mean?
     
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    Last few weeks I watched

    Mininalists (both parts)
    The flat earth one
    Seaspiracy
    Cowspiracy / what the health (sequel)
    Saving capitalism
     
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  18. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ simulation theory

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    well it all starts with hitler and world war 2 and antarctica tbh they were making several trips back and forth to antarctica during the war. it was said Hitler had a personal occultist witch (Maria Orsic) that communicated with ET’s to receive help with a lot of the technology used

    after the war ended they received intel that the nazis had a base there with futuristic military equipment so they sent Admiral Richard Byrd with an entire fleet of military planes, ships etc in 1947 for Operation Highjump

    can’t say what they did or didn’t find although you still have Wernher von Braun who was recruited with 50 other nazis to start nasa. somewhere in the midst of all that AND the roswell incident which happened in the exact same time period (1947), they learned the materials, what was needed to rebuild it and how they operate

    i personally believe they all operate on antigravity propulsion which is why they’re also seen not observing the laws of our physics

    “The existence of a Vril Society was alleged in 1960 by Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwels. In their book The Morning of the Magicians, they claimed that the Vril-Society was a secret community of occultists in pre-Nazi Berlin that was a sort of inner circle of the Thule Society.”

    VRIL was also the name of early nazi prototype “ufos” which used “regular” propulsion systems. i think one only needs to connect the dots to see how these and many other things tie together

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    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufo_aleman/esp_ufoaleman_6.htm

    the link gives full in-depth detail on this specific prototype w more pictures but this one actually used a magnetic field pulse which is MUCH more in line with what we think ufos operate on. it was made in 1944 and could fly at speeds up to but not limited to 2900 km/h and lemme tell you, you don’t “discover” the wright brothers plane then stop innovating..this is 75 years ago

    my guess is that many countries have this technology. that being said, i’ve seen some very provoking ufo footage over time that absolutely seems to not be of this world, lightships to be specific or ships that can cloak themselves in infrared vision
     
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  19. Chuny
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    Chuny Music To Be Murdered By Side B was Mixed by GOD

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    Oh I definitely agree, mate.
    In the last 20 or 30 years, technologies advanced more than in the rest of human history. That can't be a coincidence.
    I've heard that it took many years to reverse-engineer pieces of the crafts they recovered from the Roswell event as well as other UFOs captured and we've been finally getting the results for the past 3 decades. Not to mention all the tech we haven't even seen because governments are using them for military/intel purposes.
    For example, Drones already existed in the mid 90s. But only a few years ago they were made available to us, the end consumer.
     
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    the future is exciting
     
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