Jan 25, 2015

i hate when people say this

lets say we removed Real from Good Kid M.A.AD City, will that make the album better?
or if we removed the worse two songs from TES, will that make it better?

i understand some might consider Real for example filler...but that doesnt take away from the fact the album is classic...like when people always say illmatic was classic but forget to bring up the fact it had only 9 songs

so again, whats your take on thos?

 

Jan 25, 2015

Deleting songs can make an album go on smoother, but at the same time it won't feel complete.

 

Jan 25, 2015

I can't really stand Now or Never as well as Real so for me the album just fizzes out at the end, it dosen't really matter cause its at the end and i still consider it a classic .

I hate it when there's a song right in the middle that is terrible tho (Survival) it means you can't throw it on and forget about it because id rather get up and skip it than listen to that s---

 

Jan 25, 2015

I don't understand what you don't understand about it

10 great songs + 0 bad songs
vs.
10 great songs + 4 bad songs

do you really think these are equal projects?

 

Jan 25, 2015

yes i do because some people find those 4 "bad" songs actually good

and the other people wont be effected since the 10 great songs are still there

 

Jan 25, 2015

If you have to reach for the skip button, then yeah, clearly adding it has some sort of negative effect. Subpar material/fluff in the middle can ruin or take you out of the experience, like ads in the middle of a film.

 

Jan 25, 2015

The skippable tracks on GKMC are saved by the fact they are part of the narrative, cutting them would be like removing the end scene from a film. With other non-concept albums it's different, you could remove tracks and wouldn't notice they've gone.

 

Jan 25, 2015

so you just......only judge an album by its good songs then

you understand how this is a totally incomplete and arbitrary way to judge an album, right? Why wouldn't you judge everything?

 

Jan 25, 2015

It's definitely true for Encore. Remove the 3 worst songs and replace them with the bonus disc songs and it would've been a much better album. Actually would've been a good album.

 

Jan 25, 2015

Personally I don't want to cut songs from albums, I prefer to keep them as the artist/band intened to release them.

If I removed the last 2 songs in GKMC, it'd sound unfinished and missing the story's conclusion (despite only having good to great songs) and it'd also bring the album down for a different reason. If I removed 2-3 bad songs from TES it wouldn't matter and it'd actually sound much better, because there's not a narrative, there are only "random" songs about different topics. I think it depends on what the artist aims for every time. Ofc having bad songs on a record is, well, bad, but they may fit with the overall theme of the record, like a more shallow or tongue in cheek song to help with the mood after something heavier (and whether or not this contrast works favourably or seems out of place), or an interlude that slows things down a bit after a climax during the previous song. Usually songs like that never make you return and listen to them outside of the record, but they help with their placement there. It also has to do with what you're used to listen to, I think. A classic album isn't always flawless, but its bad moments work for it and don't bring it down.

 

Jan 25, 2015

yea i honestly dont care about the bad songs as long as there is enough good ones

 

Jan 25, 2015

I dont know if it could make it better, but it could make it different, imo bad songs make the album as a whole and bring them its own personality. What would be encore without a--- like that

 

Jan 25, 2015

Cut out the filler on All Eyez On Me and make it one album it'd be GOAT

 

Jan 25, 2015

Thats the main reason why I think Me Against The World is better than All Eyez In Me.

 

Jan 25, 2015

What I usually do is remove the s--- songs and replace them with better songs that may have leaked or were on mixtapes. I only use songs that were recorded around the same time period and master the songs as well as I can (trimming ends, removing parts is necessary, volume level everything etc) and try to put songs in the right place so everything flows nicely. So far ive made a few custom albums like games red album and shady xv greatest hits to name a couple. Im gonna work on making a better encore soon

 

Jan 25, 2015

I think removing songs can definitely help in certain instances. For instance if Oxymoron was like an 8 track EP it would be GOAT but there were like 3 meh songs and the rest were awful.

In non-concept albums as long as you have at least 10 tracks then you can afford to cut the stuff that isn't up to par

 

Jan 25, 2015

If you cut every track off ShadyXV it's actually a much better listen.

 

Jan 25, 2015

I get what you're saying and that's how I judge albums for the most part, too. It may not be the right to critique albums but it's what I've always done.

Like I'll rank an album with 4 great songs and 12 awful ones higher than an album that's consistently average-good with no great songs. An album's high points are really important to me. But then again I'm not a music critic I just like what I like.

 

Jan 25, 2015

 

Jan 26, 2015

I find there are just too many factors for the artist to actually consider before figuring out if a song should be cut or not because it is "bad" or "worse" than the rest of the content. Mostly due to the fact that aside from lyricism (And I bet you could actually make a good argument for lyricism actually), everyone's views on the song are going to be slightly different. And then you have to concern yourself with aging music.

I do think that cutting out songs to make an album better would in fact make an album better. But, that could also be the opposite if the cut songs are actually the good songs as opposed to the bad ones.