Sep 16, 2017 i get the whole "sampling is hip hop dude" angle but flipping a sample is completely different to essentially taking the best parts of a song by a much smaller artist and adding verses w/o crediting the artist rly xxxtentacion: drake: uzi: rihanna: granted the last one is a cover and tame impala is a huge band but idk man it just feels super weird to me that the biggest artists in the world can just change the minimum amount of a song and pass it off as their own bc 95% of their fans arent gonna have any idea ik the artists get paid and its all agreed upon etc etc. thread isnt really about that, just wondering if anyone else finds it gross when huge artists do this kind of biting from smaller artists
Sep 16, 2017 Because ghostwriting is seen as dishonest to the fans who feel like they have a personal connection with the artist, one that is violated when they use somebody else's words. Rapping over a lazy sample is still transformative. Blame the producer who basically just jacked the s--- instead of reworking it.
Sep 16, 2017 care far more about someone stealing the music behind a track then someone ghostwriting it
Sep 16, 2017 how i feel, writing music like that is way more impressive from a rapper imo buying a song off an indie artist and rehashing it is kinda more gross than hiring writers imo
Sep 16, 2017 I don't really care about authorship like that. Ghostwriting has been around for as long as hip hop has, it's as much a part of the culture as anything else. Ripping off songs wholesale is considerably worse. This is why I can't f--- with Travis.
Sep 16, 2017 Anyways, Kanye's Stronger always gets talked about for him making 100 versions of it or whatever, and yet it's still like 99% a Daft Punk song
Sep 16, 2017 man im just giving you examples to clarifiy what im talking about youd only need to listen to one or maybe even read op why the fuk would you post in a thread if you have no idea what its about
Sep 16, 2017 OP is on to something. Lazy sampling is the worst. I don't really care bout ghostwrites and dont see why we should
Sep 16, 2017 Eh When's the last time you listened to both songs m8 Stronger is significantly different than the OG and also 100% better
Sep 16, 2017 yeah thats an interesting one kanye is a hugely topical artist for this discussion i think stronger as merit cus like everyone knew the daft punk version so its not like a sly rip off plus he truly did breath new air into his version and it stands on its own as a song this is maybe moreso what im talking about, although this is a super creative flip of a sample and drunk & hot girls is a great song however part of me just finds it weird that most kanye fans fully think kanye came up with that melody uknow
Sep 16, 2017 yeah i think people hold rappers to some weird standards like if you hold them to the standard of any other musician (which only seems fair) id b much more concerned about biting songs than using writers like using writers is a collaborative process id imagine most writers in any medium would collaborate on whatever they do
Sep 16, 2017 I think in rap as a whole. the ghostwriting conversation doesn't need to be as big as it is. Those who call themselves Emcees, or who care about the art of Emceeing should understand that penning your own s--- is indisputably important and will always be a standard. If we wanna take it there with music as a whole, it could be argued that a bigger artist stealing/reworking a smaller artist's song is 'part of the culture' and has been around as long as the music industry has. I don't think it's ridiculous to have either standard tbf, I guess people just end up deciding individually what they care about.
Sep 16, 2017 Basically, I often care more about the producer's taste in music than his/her talent. Rappers are a different story.
Sep 16, 2017 Well for hip hop competition among rappers is a big part of the culture and so to have a ghostwriter is almost like cheating Like if you have someome being ghostwrite for and he's on all of his songs saying he the GOAT rapper, a lot of people both fans of the genre and rappers themselves would take offense to that
Sep 16, 2017 At the end of the day, I personally don't care about either of these things as long as the song that comes out of it is good. Using the Drake example, I wouldn't call Jamie XX or Gil Scott-Heron small and unknown, and it's listed as being produced by Jamie XX in the credits. Potsu is listed as the producer for the --- song as well, though I admittedly hadn't heard the original before that song. The uzi song I agree on since they basically just added a snap and base hit and called it "produced" by Don canon. But my girlfriend thought she recognized the chorus so we looked it up and found the original song, so now I know a know band I'd never heard of. If anything I'd argue this is giving more people visibility to these artists they wouldn't have otherwise heard. I got into Parliament originally through the Chronic. It works forward and backward. But yes I agree bitching about ghostwriting is stupid in a lot of cases, especially when most people complain about stuff that isn't actually ghostwriting because the artists are credited as writers.
