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JK Rowling's and also Lana Del Rey's comments

Started by paulye, Jun 11, 2020, in Life Add to Reading List

  1. paulye
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    Jun 11, 2020
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53002557
    https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/art-books-music/a32627332/lana-del-rey-number-one-controversy/

    I think they are allowed to say what they want and criticising them for their comments is crine af.
     
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  2. Rick James
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    Rick James

    ALFREDO

    Jun 11, 2020
    Harry Potter a classic tho
     
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  3. Antman
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    Jun 11, 2020
    Is it really that bad what jk said?

    And ppl need to stfu over Lana
     
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  4. Michael Myers
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    Michael Myers

    The Boogeyman Is Coming

    Jun 11, 2020
    Nah

    And what did lana say?
     
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  5. emostar
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    Jun 11, 2020
    JK Rowling is right and she should say it.
     
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  6. Antman
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    I don’t get it. Women have fought for rights in this country for Decades and still have no rights across the World. Being a woman ain’t easy, is it really right for the public to invalidate JK’s pride to be a woman? If that’s the case, what’s the point of the me too movement if we are undermining an educated woman’s opinion, which had no hate either in the first place?
     
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  7. Antman
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    Lana getting shit for glorifying abuse apparently
     
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  8. Michael Myers
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    Michael Myers

    The Boogeyman Is Coming

    Jun 11, 2020
    People love to overreact and blow shit out of proportion. Don't know exactly what she said tho
     
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  9. JMG
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    undefeated

    Jun 11, 2020
    Trans is a mental illness so she's right.
     
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  10. ArchitectOfDestruction
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    Jun 11, 2020
     
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  11. Enigma
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    Civil liberties > Police safety

    Jun 11, 2020
    Imagine getting triggered over a headline that states “people who menstruate.” Yes, someone who identifies as a man but whose sex is female can menstruate. Jk Rowling is a dumb ass.
     
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  12. cpt awesome WPG joint acc
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    Jun 11, 2020
    its dicey. civil rights/progressive campaigns have always had to balance making their own path forward, versus aligning with similarly focused groups. you see that tension in like, betty fredian, right - feminist icon/hero..... NOT wanting to carry the water for gays or lesbians. so this def is tapping into that larger debate. dunno what the right answer is. i will say, i read jk's piece and thought some of her points were extremely tone deaf/un-PC...... but thought her other asides were intriguing, such as homophobia's relationship to the rise of trans cases and whether those ppl emotionally/unknowingly are undertaking unreversible changes to their body, limiting their fertility stuff like that.

    so it may be unpopular but i def see her feminist critique of the trans movement. and like dave chappelle said, this movement only gained traction when rich white men started doing it.
     
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  13. Antman
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    That’s totally true. She was tone deaf (I doubt she’s pulling her punches), but It’s very dicey bc we all have rights.

    I just think she should be allowed to have an opinion
     
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  14. JMG
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    Jun 11, 2020
    Speaking from experience?
     
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  15. Enigma
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    Civil liberties > Police safety

    Jun 11, 2020
    As in someone who’s actually talked to a transperson before, yeah sure.
     
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  16. Winter
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    Super Comfy

    Jun 11, 2020
    Rowling spent the last decade or so of her career trying painfully hard to paint herself as this super progressive champion of minorities, I think it’s absolutely fair to shit on her hypocrisy
     
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  17. Zeugma
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    I'm tryna take a break from the internet

    Jun 11, 2020
    she's still almost as PC as it gets though. you can still believe "transgenderism" doesn't make much sense without being a crazy / insensitive person
    lol if that makes you politically incorrect, that means like 99.99% of the humanity a few years ago was politically incorrect
     
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  18. Donkey Kong Cuntry
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    Donkey Kong Cuntry

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    Jun 11, 2020
    Not believing in transgender people isn’t non-PC it’s just being willfully ignorant.

    The people who are concerned about characterizing it as a mental illness are concerned with that classification being disparaging not because they care about the latest edition of the DSM-5

    haven’t read JK’s piece so I have no comment on what she specifically said yet
     
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  19. WPG
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    retired

    Jun 11, 2020
    i think the reason rowling's statement leaves a bitter taste in my mouth is that it's not really, or at least not exclusively about trans/feminist issues––it reminds me of these edgelord internet provocateurs who cast their trolling as some sort of free-speech absolutism.

    there are absolutely tensions between those who see trans issues as part of feminist movements more broadly and those who resent the flattening of female experience into one thing. on some levels it's not really my place to parse that. but i am sick of these full-grown adults who are like "oh i'm just asking questions and liking tweets, why are you shutting down my right to free speech!" no one is saying rowling should be jailed, just that she's uncritically parroting some pretty dubious arguments.

    it's intellectually dishonest––and lazy. for example she frames her objection in that one case as "why was a woman fired for believing that biological sex exists?" and it's like, first, no one denies that biological sex exists. but second and more relevantly, the woman in question's expiring contract was not renewed not because of some privately held belief, but because she misgendered people in a way that was deliberate and hostile. that's different!

    a lot is made of "sjws" throwing tantrums, but the most entitled, whiniest people on the internet are the ones who make arguments like rowling's then melt down when people disagree with them.
     
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  20. Zeugma
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    Zeugma

    I'm tryna take a break from the internet

    Jun 11, 2020
    I disagree.
    if any of you guys have any interesting piece to understand transgenderism, I'm genuinely interested.
    I've talked to many trans people, both irl and online, read what I've been sent with curiosity and empathy, and I still feel like it's eventually down either to "you can't really get it if you don't feel it" or to "yeah men and women can have different social roles but in that current society, I feel more attracted to the other sex's common/traditional attributes"
     
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