Jay-Z The JAY-Z vs Nas debate is argued incorrectly

Started by Xdx, Sep 25, 2017, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Xdx
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    Sep 25, 2017
    Nobody provides proof behind their arguments. If you look at the Pac vs BIG debate, people actually provide proof behind what they're saying. Half of the people say Nas is the better lyricist and half the people say Jay is the better lyricist, but it doesn't matter if you don't explain why. The only argument that is argued properly is discography. Who's the better lyricist? Who is more technically skilled as an MC/rapper? These kind of questions are always overlooked
     
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  2. Dread or Alive
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    Dread or Alive Kamikaze should've been released 3 years ago

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    Nas and Biggie objectively better. Biggie by some distance too.
     
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  3. 1999
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    Sep 25, 2017
    Wrong and wrong
     
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  4. Xdx
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    Nas > JAY-Z > Biggie IMO

    Though at this point, I think Jay might be better than Nas. We'll have to see how Nas' next album holds up against 4:44
     
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    Nas > Jay for me at the moment though. Who do you guys think is better lyrically and who do you guys think is more skilled as a rapper?
     
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    Sep 25, 2017
    lol arguing about nas n jay z in 2017

    beef in general is ded its just cheap drama
     
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  8. Big Dangerous
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    Calling some BS

    I like Jay as much as the next guy but considering they aren't too different from eachother stylistically, BIG was better than Jay at almost every single facet of hip hop
     
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    No correct way to argue it cus jay z is obviously better
     
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    Arguable

    Jay is better at double-entendres, rhyme schemes, and technical rapping and lyricism as a whole

    Biggie was superior in flow and storytelling though, but not by much

    BIG didn't get the chance to prove his longevity due to his death, while Jay was able to strive in the industry. Jay made BIG stop writing down his raps. Jay impressed BIG to a point where BIG wanted to start a group with Jay. Hov is the better rapper
     
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    Jay > BIG > Pac > Nas
     
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    BIG is better at rhyme schemes, technical rapping(broad definition) and overall lyricism(again broad)....ill give Jay double entendres but that's cause he's probably too ever at that

    Add to that flow and storytelling like u said...he's superior in almost every way
     
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    I'm sure 4:44 is gonna be better than Nas: Finally Sleeping, the Greatest Hits Collection
     
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    big, pac, and jay top five all time. nas probably top ten.
     
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    BIG mostly used single word and single syllable rhyming while Jay thrived with multi's
     
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    Also Jay>Pac>Nas>Big. All top 10 though
     
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    turning rap into math <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
     
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    Are you really surprised someone put one top five OAT over another top five OAT? There's arguments to be made for both rappers being the best of all time.
     
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  20. Xdx
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    IMO Nas > Jay > BIG > Pac

    I'm still not sure who's better as a rapper between Jay and Nas though
     
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