Eminem Big Cuntry's Thoughts on Revival

Started by DKC, Dec 14, 2017, in Eminem Add to Reading List

  1. DKC
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    Dec 14, 2017
    I was gonna try to give this another few listens before writing this, but f--- it, I couldn’t even get through a second spin.

    When compared to the rest of the album, it starts out relatively strong—I’m not much of a fan of the music itself, but thematically it sticks to what I’d want from Eminem at this point in his career, which is an introspective look at his place in rap 20 years in and using his celebrity to speak on sociopolitical issues to a wider audience. But as soon as it gets to “River,” the album pretty much entirely falls apart until “Castle.” Other than “Like Home” and a few other moments, that’s 13 poorly sequenced tracks in a row that are mostly irrelevant or poor rehashes of better songs he made 15-20 years ago. I dunno if I’ve ever listened to another album with such an unjustified length.

    Do some of these songs have potential in terms of concept? Yeah, but the choppy flow, bad production, bad punchlines, and overall bad song composition ruin them. It’s been said before but I’ll say it again: Eminem doesn’t know how to make a good song anymore. I dunno if I’ve ever listened to a stretch of an album that’s this excruciatingly boring. When he does somewhat succeed at making a song that sounds decent—“Remind Me,” for example, which is one of the places where his flow sounds the most natural and has one of the better rock sample flips—it fails thematically. It’s apparently about Kim (yes, I know he’s not allowed to use her name anymore), but the song just feels like another made up, self-deprecating story about meeting a nameless woman at a bar.

    This album is basically The Life of Marshall, in that it’s kind of a haphazard amalgam of his past albums mixed with a little bit of new territory, except it pretty much only draws from all his bad projects and there's no charm to it. When he does take from his pre-hiatus music, it’s mostly in the form of boring retreads. Half the album sounds like Recovery and MMLP2 leftovers (and even Relapse with “Framed”). I’d put money on “Castle” especially being Recovery era…he doesn’t sound like that when he raps anymore. It feels like he started an album focused on politics/his place in rap but only had like five songs that fit the concept, so he panicked and filled it up with tracks that didn’t make the cut from his past albums so he could put it out in this current political climate.

    I appreciate that he’s trying to use this platform for good, and like I mentioned before, being political is rarely “cool.” Buried under the sludge is an interesting, important, and maybe even a good album. But as it stands, it’s an absolute mess. Like @Papa Andy mentioned, songs like “Untouchable” just don’t quite feel finished. It feels like the first draft of a song that needs a few more rewrites and mixes. Like, The Life of Pablo feels more refined than this album and Kanye released it literally unfinished and during a mental breakdown.

    “Walk on Water,” “Untouchable,” “Castle,” and “Arose” are probably the best four tracks, and they’re the start to an album that had potential, but this is something he should have stewed on for another year or two. Trump’s not going anywhere in the meantime.
     
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  2. Mikey
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    Dec 14, 2017
    I think Castle is new like made within that last 2 years.

    No way if that was made around Recovery it would have not made that album.
     
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  3. Epitome
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    Dec 14, 2017
    He says Kim’s name on Bad Husband lol
     
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    Dec 14, 2017
    what do you think about his performance on trap beats?
     
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  5. DKC
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    DKC hank trill

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    idk man, the flow just doesn't sound like what Eminem sounds like in 2017 to me

    Ah, I didn't remember hearing that. I only mentioned that cuz I didn't want people to try to call that out as a reason Remind Me sounds vague.
     
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    Was funny hearing him do the triplet flow lol. if 2 chainz was on chloraseptic it coulda been a b-----r.
     
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  7. Big Dangerous
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    Odd how you mention he isn't allowed to say Kim but he has an explicit apology song where he mentions her by name later on in the album


    Nonetheless I agree with you it's an awful album and truly horrific attempt at making music.
     
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  8. Vos
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    Dec 14, 2017
    agree with almost everything you said. except with respect to 'remind me' --- isnt that the one where he says 'your booty is heavy duty like diarrhea?

    like you said, Eminem just doesn't know what sounds good anymore, and he's surrounded by yes men who don't have the balls to tell him. I can't believe this guy is 45 years old and still littering his music with toilet humor. I'm not expecting him to recreate the music he made in his prime, but that doesn't mean he can't put out something good at this stage of his career. Look at Jay with 4:44 or even Dr Dre with Compton.
     
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    Like I said I didn't even make it to a second listen all the way through lol so that's my bad. I was just saying that cuz I didn't want people to say Remind Me has to be vague cuz he can't say her name.
     
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  10. Big Dangerous
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    Yeah I don't blame you, I was cringing and waiting for it to be over on my first listen -- it's that bad of a record.
     
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  11. Groovy Tony
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    He used Kims name on Bad Husband. I dont think Remind Me or River or Heat or Need Me or Tragic Endings were about any real person. Just more generic relationship songs
     
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  12. RetiredAccount
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    I'd say both Believe and Bad Husband are decent songs, and Untouchable isn't in the slightest.
    Walk on Water is good, and Castle/Arose are great.
     
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  13. RetiredAccount
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    or... and excuse this hot take... the biggest rapper in the world has had other relationships in the past 11 years
     
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  14. Groovy Tony
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    River probably but other than that I don't see any real motivation for these songs other than to fulfill the pop song quota he lives by nowadays. Tragic Endings was basically him trying to make LTWYL and INAD at the same time
     
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    RetiredAccount Big Time Stuntin Like My Daddy

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    just because they are pop songs and trash doesn't mean they aren't inspired by a real relationship.
     
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    I 100 percent disagree :)
     
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  17. Groovy Tony
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    It also doesnt mean Marshall isnt too busy reclusively jacking off all day to actually be inspired by an actual relationship that isn't Kim or Mariah
     
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  18. RetiredAccount
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    Dec 14, 2017
    if you actually think he's too caught up with Kim to have an actual relationship, you might be r-----ed, no offense.

    He's always kept non-Kim woman a secret.
    Like he didn't come out and say Brittany Murphy's name during Crazy in Love.
     
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  19. Big Dangerous
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    Btw @Big Cuntry Castle is definitely an old song,probably recovery era, please refer to my thread here where I point out exactly where he cut and spliced in new vocals :

    https://forum.sectioneighty.com/voc...e-showing-parts-of-them-are-old-songs.t136313
     
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    Mariah too but I guess man
     
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