"IT IS NOT ABOUT LYRICS ANYMORE"

Started by Michael Myers, Aug 15, 2021, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Michael Myers
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    "It's about a hot beat, and a catchy hook!"

    No, this thread isn't about the song, altough it was pretty amazing to see Jay, Em, 50 and Dre on the same track. It's about its message; hiphop has shifted from being about storytelling and lyrics, to being catchy regardless of its message/lyrics.

    Do you agree / disagree / to some extent, and why?

    Didn't add a poll because posting/discussing is more important to me than clicking in a poll
     
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  2. Ricky
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    I'm all in for the lyrics.
     
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    In this new generation of music just depends on the listener some people still appreciate the bars and the schemes being said
     
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  4. jankland
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    I think I agree to some extent but that's mostly for radio music and idk if a lot of radio music was lyrical in the first place it's just that the sound shifted

    The reason I enjoy rap is that people are usually able to convey their clever and witty side so I enjoy lyrics but other times I'm okay with slightly lesser or more cryptic writing if they're delivering a certain mood but obviously the artists that combine both sides are going to be the real standouts
     
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    All styles are valid
     
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  6. CARNIFEX
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    CARNIFEX Get The Strap

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    Defintely not about the lyrics anymore and more so about the sound sonically which is cool. I don't say that as a diss as if there's no talent behind what's popular it's just who the f--- wants to listen to Em or some s--- like that at a party or something you know? Can't see it. The fact that darkness such a well written track probably top 2 as far as lyric wise goes in ems catalog was such a huge flop IMO goes to show that.
     
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    Since you made the thread what are your thoughts on it @Michael Myers?
     
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  8. Michael Myers
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    Yeah I second this. There is some sort of 'war' new vs old rap like there aren't any new rappers w good lyrics or older rappers didn't make bangers back in the day as well.

    I can appreciate a good storytelling song / clever lyrics, but also enjoy a great sounding song -to me- that doesn't really have anything interesting to say.

    However, the one thing thats most important to me is it has to sound good... a boring song w good lyrics , fine but probably won't listen again. Rappers trying something (new) w their voice, also cool but doesn't always work out for the better. If I don't like a rappers voice or style he's using... everything else is not important as far as replay value goes.
     
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    Just responded to your post!
     
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    To give a more detailed response, I don’t think it’s that clear cut. Yeah there are a lot of rappers out right now who are focused more on melody and experimenting with sound over technical writing, but there’s definitely room for all kinds of rappers to be successful. Em, Jay, and Kendrick are still some the absolute biggest names in rap, Nas just debuted at #5. There’s been more a shift in the prevalent style of rap in recent years, but it’s not like that’s all there is.
     
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    I dont wanna make this about em but Darkness is actually a good example. It's like a 10/10. But I never listen to it....
     
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    CARNIFEX Get The Strap

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    Very good song but same here I believe it's the flow that brings down the song. On paper this is Stan level and if it was released earlier in his career would've been legendary but that type of music just doesn't seem popular now so now it's just another "supersonic" em song on an album that shouldn't exist.
     
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    CARNIFEX Get The Strap

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    I feel like for more traditional rap to be huge it needs to be on the catchier side/more modern especially as a first single example like sumo by Denzel
     
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    For the record I said in my post you have songs w good lyrics that (to me) lack replay value, and catchy songs with almost no substance.. but plenty of songs have both!
     
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    You need a balance of both. I know plenty of bangers I love but only when I'm drunk because the lyrics are so s---/boring/or too repititive - it makes the whole listening experience for the song cheapened. Like when you hear a rapper you like and they just sound monotonous and like they don't give a f---, compared to other artists who you can actually hear the emotion and passion they are putting into it.

    But s--- that's too lyrical miracle for me is the same, I don't wanna hear a new song and pause it/rewind it every 4 seconds cause some fuckhead is stroking his ego by spitting quadruple time flow and saying the most """intellectual""" s--- they can it's like ugh f--- off I'm tryna have fun not listen to a university lecture from a rapid speaking Indian accented c----
     
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  16. Slyk
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    i have a difficult time listening to 8th grade level lyrics / mindset. i don't need a 4:44 old wise man telling me the ways of the world and his investments in fine art, but i also don't want an angsty/pubescent teenager talking about how he'll slap your hoe, f--- yo b----, and eat peppers out of a hookers a--- all day either.

    be smart/smart-ish or be clever.
     
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    I think this is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy in some ways. I definitely saw the divide when I was younger and in HS. The way I look at it now is easy listening vs s--- I need a lyric sheet for lol. There’s obv a lot of middle ground between those two. Both have great music as well.
     
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  18. LasiK
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    People have been saying this s--- for years. Stop boxing rap into these weird corners. There’s always been and always will be different styles.

    different strokes for different folks. learn to love it all.
     
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  19. Slyk
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    style vs content are 2 different properties.
     
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  20. joeyp363
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    I only care about beat and flow hence why I like
    Eminem
    Tech N9ne
    Hopsin
    Logic
    NF

    You guys honestly haven’t figured this out in over 15 years?
     
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